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kentfgunn
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Skull make-up, dramaticus extremus presentation and . . .

The Cups and Balls.

KG
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Yipes! You'll save a lot of money on Halloween candy with that one.

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Interesting use of Bosco's and Hocus Pocus Junior's patter. Oh, wait. Ricky Jay did that, too, didn't he!
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Really nice presentation. I like the original story of that classical.
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Thanks for posting... I found it both interesting and uncanny.
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Who is it and how old is the flick? Outstanding acting and script.
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More proof that scripting and presentation takes the routine to the next level!

MMc
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Outstanding performance! And just in time for Halloween too.
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On 2010-09-17 15:09, MickeyPainless wrote:
More proof that scripting and presentation takes the routine to the next level!

MMc


But when so much of the script is pinched from someone else...then what?
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Didn't realize it was "borrowed" Bill until I went back a read your post (I just watched the video and posted earlier)!

That's too bad!

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Hold on a second...

I freely admit to lifting the magic words from Bosco and Hocus Pocus Jr. The names of the balls are from Hockus Pockus Jr as well. (I've also placed a few lines of Robert Houdin in there too, although they've been retooled slightly.) I made this decision in part as acknowledgment to the age of the trick, and also to add an air of authenticity to the sound of the magic. (There's also tips of the hat to HP Lovecraft, Marie Leveaux, and the 1932's version of The Black Cat in there too.)

I'm certainly not the only person to quote Bosco... I know Ricky Jay does it. (I think he uses two of the same magic words I do in his first pass, but I'm not positive.) Michael Vincent does. I think Mark DeSouza does too.

But, really, any similarities to my routine and Ricky Jay's end there.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgm4wZCACYg if you'd like to see for yourself.)

Besides, Bill, it seems a little disingenuous to accuse me of plagiarism, when it was your website that provided me with the research material I used in the routine.
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On 2010-09-17 12:51, Pete Biro wrote:
Who is it and how old is the flick? Outstanding acting and script.


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Well-done eldritchtheatre!

I thoroughly enjoyed this routine. Always wondered how a truly 'bizarre' C&B routine would play.

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That was great! Very entertaining, eldritchtheatre.
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I think the presentation is pretty unique regardless of whether all the words are. I found it freaky, spooky and entertaining.
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I really enjoyed the presentation… I am not bothered that some was borrowed form other works. It is kind of like when singers do cover songs… some can be as good as the originals in a different way.

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BCS...right n.
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Highly entertaining and engaging!
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On 2010-09-18 08:33, eldritchtheatre wrote:
Hold on a second...

I freely admit to lifting the magic words from Bosco and Hocus Pocus Jr. The names of the balls are from Hockus Pockus Jr as well. (I've also placed a few lines of Robert Houdin in there too, although they've been retooled slightly.) I made this decision in part as acknowledgment to the age of the trick, and also to add an air of authenticity to the sound of the magic. (There's also tips of the hat to HP Lovecraft, Marie Leveaux, and the 1932's version of The Black Cat in there too.)

I'm certainly not the only person to quote Bosco... I know Ricky Jay does it. (I think he uses two of the same magic words I do in his first pass, but I'm not positive.) Michael Vincent does. I think Mark DeSouza does too.

But, really, any similarities to my routine and Ricky Jay's end there.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgm4wZCACYg if you'd like to see for yourself.)

Besides, Bill, it seems a little disingenuous to accuse me of plagiarism, when it was your website that provided me with the research material I used in the routine.


Really? That's interesting. You blame the person who provided you with the reference works.

It seems even more disingenuous to me to assume that nobody would notice.
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On the contrary Bill, I’m not blaming you at all. I love your website. I visit it often. It’s my favourite Cups & Balls Site on the net. (I intend to make use of your close-up table blue-prints in the near future too.)

And the point of referring to 400 hundred (and 200) year old magic texts in my routine is precisely in the hopes that someone will notice. The Hocus Pocus Jr and Houdin quotes are there as in-jokes for the three magicians who might happen to see my show. Just as the Lovecraft bits are there for the folks who’ve read Call of Cthulhu.

They are meant as titbits of “value added” for those few in the know. If I removed them all, and said, say, “Abracadabra” instead of “Passa Jubeo”, or called the balls “Winky, Binky and Clyde” instead of “Benedick, Nabarus and Presto John” the presentation and dramatic intent remain essentially the same. What is lost are some nice shades of colour.

Ricky Jay’s routine, on the other hand, is a History Lesson about the cups and balls. When he uses the texts, they are the very essence of the routine.

His show is about magic and it’s history. My show is about a 139 year old traveling exorcist and his ruined life.

The movies “The Lion King”, “Strange Brew”, “Nightmare on Elm Street”, “Withnail and I”, “Star Trek VI”, “Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead” and “Two Be or Not to Be” all quote Hamlet. But you would never accuse them of ripping off Shakespeare. Or each other.

“Wow. That Nightmare on Elm Street was really scary, but it was just a big rip off The Lion King.”

Besides, don’t you do a whole Hocus Pocus Jr show? Surely you don’t feel that you’re stealing from Ricky Jay? Or that he’s stealing from you?

If I started my routine by saying, “This trick is the oldest trick in magic. These are three cups. And three balls. And the cups are like little houses for the balls” then you could accuse me of lack of originality. As it is, I don’t think you’re being fair…

To the rest of you, thank you for your kind words and compliments. I’m really very surprised and flatt
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