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magicphill Veteran user 359 Posts |
I happened to recently pick up a copy of Magic with Cards by Frank Garcia and can't say I was expecting too much from it being a book sold to the lay public but was pleasantly surprised by the trick "Poker Mental"
Basically the effect is the performer deals out a poker hand to 4 spectators and one to himself and asks the spectators to simply think of one of the cards in their hand shuffling them after they have thought of a card. The cards are gathered on the top of the deck dealt out again into 5 poker hands and one by one these hands are shown to the spectators to ask them if they see their card in the spread. Without any more fishing the performer is able to acurately find each card that was thought of and which spectator thought of each card. Still surprises me when I do it Was wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences of finding a gem buried away in a book available to the public. |
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
Phil,
I tried doing a similar thread in the Gaffed and Funky section; very little response, but I think it was because the parameters were too restricting. I think yours will do MUCH better Namaste, Vlad PS: I find gems in my library all of the time, or even more fun, I get FRIED with something I didn't know I HAD in my library!! I LOVE that |
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J.Warrens Inner circle Canada 1098 Posts |
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On 2010-09-19 12:48, Vlad_77 wrote: Yeah, me too. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
There's a deadly trick that can be done over the phone in a book called Card Magic by Bill Okal. I did this to a magic buddy of mine and his only explanation was that I mustve been outside the window peeking in.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
Hi Phil,
In rereading your post I see now that you meant books targeted toward non-magicians. In a sense though, MANY of these effects of course came from books target TO magicians. I am told that Daryl's "Untouched" (eerily similar to a 1974 effect in Pabular by Tony Faro entitled "Spectator Magician") is in the Magic for Dummies book. I don't own any mass market magic books so I am uncertain if this is the correct book. That being said, if I was not aware of the Daryl/Faro effect and a non-magician learned it from a mass market book and did it for me, it would DEFINITELY had fooled me. I WISH I could get people to contribute to threads about their own findings. I have tried TWICE now - once in Gaffed and Funky, and again in Secret Sessions (focused on coins). But, either people hate research, or, they feel they need to keep an effect to themselves. I do not have ANY idea how many effects there are in magic - and I do not mean Fitzkee's categorization - but actual "tricks", and it seems to me that there are more than enough "tricks" that no one is going to have her/his repertoire "ruined." Besides, the intent is not to give away METHODS but, to point others to cool stuff. C'est la vie. Vlad |
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geoffa New user Nashville, TN 57 Posts |
One treasure I'm playing with is Mix It Up! by Paul Curry. It's in Richard Kaufman's new mass market book Knack Magic Tricks. There's some good stuff in there but this one in particular has caught my eye.
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the fritz Special user 647 Posts |
Hey Vlad,
I feel your frustration about getting people to contribute. Sometimes I guess people would just rather spend time reading everybody else's hard work than do their own. I'm sure I'm guilty of this as well at times, but it is still no fun when I try to engage and others do not. On a lighter note, one "buried treasure" I've been playing around with is Dead Man's Hand from Annemann's Card Magic. It isn't necessarily impromptu (the kind of card magic I like) as a stand-alone item, but it is impromptu when you perform it as a follow up to the Lorayne poker deal because at the end you have the requisite amount of cards on the table. Look at the routine and you'll see what I mean. This last part about looking up the routine will probably be the part where many people will turn away because it requires effort on their part. That's okay with me because they will be missing out on a great routine. |
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the fritz Special user 647 Posts |
BTW,
Annemann's Card Magic is available in a Dover reprint so I classify it as "available to the public" because it's one of those you can find at or order from, Barnes and Noble/Amazon/Borders, etc. |
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Uli Weigel Inner circle Berlin, Germany 1478 Posts |
Here's another one of many goodies from Annemann's Card Magic: Miracle Speller. You'll love this one, even if you usually don't like spelling tricks. Try it once for a lay person and thank me later.
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
I will thank you NOW Uli!
Annemann was a genius and his influence is profoundly felt to this day. Miracle Speller is a GREAT effect! Vlad |
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captainsmiffy Special user UK, resident UAE 589 Posts |
Hi Guys,
I found a little 'buried treasure' in a book that is openly available, or so it seems, to the masses....the effect is called 'What's your number?' and it appears in a book called 'mind-reading card tricks' by Robert Mandelberg. It has had a lovely earth-shattering type of effect on everybody so far...essentially the spectator chooses some random cards and adds the face numbers up and then counts down in the deck to that number. Whatever the number on the card found there is, he then takes a number of cards equal to that number and they are laid out. These cards actually comprise something personal to the spectator, such as their telephone number or, as is often the case with me, their staff number (airline crew down route). Funnily enough, in this age of mobile phones, if you use their landline number it often takes the spectator a good few seconds to even begin to realise that this number does indeed mean something to them personally! From the reactions that I get I would have called this NFW.....but that has already gone before!! Enjoy.....
Have you tried 'Up The Ante' yet?? The ultimate gambling demo....a self-working wonder! See the reviews here on the cafe.
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murf Loyal user San Antonio, TX 264 Posts |
Captainsmiffy, I agree that the effect you describe is a real killer! I tried to track down a name for the principle some years ago, but never found anything. The description in Tarbell (Prophetic Card Discovery, volume 2, page 215)simply says that the principle is "very old." I found quite a number of effects using the principle, but nobody gave it a name. I even called it "the unnamed principle" in a mini-lecture I gave at the local magic club. Anybody have any more information on the history of this wonderful effect?
Murf |
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captainsmiffy Special user UK, resident UAE 589 Posts |
Can't remember where I've seen it written but it was referred to as the 'compensation principle'. I use it to get to where I want to be in the deck when I perform Aronsons Fate, if you know what I mean, (I bought a whole book for that 1 effect!) instead of having a r*****ing s***k or relying on mem work.
Giobbi has an effect called numerology in card college that also utilises this wonderful procedure.
Have you tried 'Up The Ante' yet?? The ultimate gambling demo....a self-working wonder! See the reviews here on the cafe.
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murf Loyal user San Antonio, TX 264 Posts |
Aha, thank you! The "compensation principle" led me to Mathematics, Magic and Mystery by Martin Gardner. He uses the phrase, but doesn't explain how a term from economics came to be used in this way. My list of references to this principle just keeps growing....
Murf |
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a brown 1968 Elite user 470 Posts |
I find Annemann's Card Magic a good source of simple effects or the building blocks for a variation where I try and remove what I consider a drawback .
For example in the book there is an effect which is a straight forward location of a spectators card , however because the specator can shuffle the deck there was a small risk of failure and the need to create alternative outcomes weaker than just removing the spectators card from the deck . Using the main principle of the effect allowed me to come up with a Lie detecting effect where you borrow a shuffled deck, spectator has a free choice of any card , this is placed back in the deck and he is allowed to shuffle the deck immediately . He removes 7 cards from the deck one of which is his card and through a process of asking him questions which he can lie or tell the truth or observing body language you eliminate 6 cards one by one and are left with his chosen card. Finding the treasure for me is one of the great pleasures of magic. Andy |
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the fritz Special user 647 Posts |
I just reread my above rant after a few days and realize I sounded like a jerk! Didn't mean for it to come out like that. Sorry to anyone who thought "What a jerk..." (which probably would've been my reaction had a read it from someone else!).
Anyway, I look forward to reading about the compensation principle and I agree that the Annemann book is great. My wife just bought me a Nook for my birthday and Annemann's Card Magic was one of my first downloads from lybrary.com. Great stuff! I'll check out the spelling effect, Uli. Thanks for the tip. |
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a brown 1968 Elite user 470 Posts |
Looked up the "numerology effect " in card colledge and now understand what you mean by compensation principle. I find the numerology effect a little to cumbersome for my taste but Aldo Colombini has an effect in his impromptu card magic book called "easy location " . His version does away with the spectator picking a card to be replaced and controlled. In fact the spectator never touches the card he picks.
I love the principle but for a long time put it aside because most effects using the principle had little or no justification for the procedure and therefore in my mind it turned into an interesting puzzle. It took me quite a while to think up a premise that made sense and fully justified the three pile procedure. I shall track down the versions mentioned in the thread. Andy |
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murf Loyal user San Antonio, TX 264 Posts |
Here are a few other effects using the compensation principle:
Impossible Prediction, Peter Warlock, The Magician Monthly, January 1939. A Baffling Prediction, M.Gardner, Mathematics, Magic and Mystery. Arithmancy, TLR March, 2006, p93. Really Fit For Kings, MUM Mar 2007, p44 & TLR Dec 2007. p 104. Estimated Prediction, TLR Apr 2007, p97. Good Fortune, TLR Oct 2007, p98. Allerchrist Fix, TLR Dec 2007, p 115. Murf |
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ropeadope Elite user Mississippi 453 Posts |
Love Garcia & Schindler`s Magic with Cards as magicphill started thread off with. Many, many non-sleight gems.
Have fun, John
Nothing is better than more.
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panlives Inner circle 2087 Posts |
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On 2010-09-28 10:29, ropeadope wrote: Hi All, Taking an idea from Vlad, I started a similar post to this one with a slightly different bent. "Magic with Cards" was part of my lead-in to the topic. Comments appreciated here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=110
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