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Ive just realised I am talking to a 14 year old.

licensed means insurance means abiding by the guidelines. First thing a lawyer will go for if there is litigation.

You obviously haven't read my posts or looked into the cases. Halpern had no insurance didn't go by the guidelines and the venus was also sued for 90k. Otherwise the venue would have not been sued.

All bars that allow impromtu hypnosis to go on without licensed hypnotists also run the risk of losing their license and being sued should an accident happen. That is simply a fact.
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I did look into the Halpern case and the McKenna case. Both cases are about being sued for negligence but this is an entirely different subject from the legality of being able to perform or not with and without a license. Would you like me to do the legwork for you and link to the news article (I have one for McKenna from the BBC, you're going to have to find one for Halpern because the only mention of it was on online message forums). Here's the McKenna article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/150850.stm

Also, in relation to the McKenna case. Guess what? Thanks to the McKenna case, arguments like yours in regards to hypnosis causing mental or physical issues has even LESS credit. The McKenna case sets a precedent and the precedent, at the minimum, shows that hypnosis can not cause aggressive schizophrenia. I shed a tear for you again MP because there goes one less round of ammunition under your belt for you silly arguments.

For example, a non-certified/un-licensed doctor CAN NOT be held accountable for negligence because it was illegal for them to practice in the first place. Being able to legally do something is a different subject from following guidelines of a practice.

A non-certified/un-licensed hypnotist being sued for negligence implies that they were legally able to hypnotize. If they were not legally able to hypnotize, they would not be sued for negligence, they would just go straight to jail or pay whatever fine needs to be paid because it is in conflict with the law.

Heck, forget all the other stuff, what the heck is your actual argument? Are you talking about the legality of performing without a license? Are you talking about negligence and how that is affected by having insurance? Are you talking about if burn blisters can be created using just hypnosis? Which one is it? These are three pretty much unrelated issues with the only similarity being that it involves hypnotists but other than that, ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ISSUES. Are you now going to go off on a tangent and prove to me the moon is made of cheese? That mimes need a mimes license? Dinosaurs never roamed the Earth? I don't know, you've jumped around completely different topics so many times that it's hard to guess what other odd directions you're going to jump in next!
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Have you been drinking? There are no formal qualificationsfor hypnotists so a comparisin with a doctor isn't really worth much.
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Sober as sober can be. Have you been conducting weird self-hypnosis experiments on yourself? Because not only can you settle on a single argument but you can't support any of those that you have made thus far. Again, you argued about it being legal or not to hypnotize without being a licensed hypnotist, then you talk about negligence (a different matter altogether), and it all spawned from talking about hypnotically induced blisters. Tisk tisk, if I don't keep track of you tangents, who else would eh?

Do you need a lawyer to explain all this to you? I do work in a international firm and we do have a UK office. I can refer you to one of our attorneys but the time spent with them is going to be considerably higher than 30 pounds and we charge by the quarter hour. Are you going to make a snide remark about how incompetent our lawyers are? That's totally fine because I don't expect someone with your lack of knowledge (and the bare minimum of logical sense) to be a good judge of what is or is not a good lawyer.
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I think they have been well suported. Which part don't you understand? You last comparison with doctors doesn't really make sense since hypnotists have no formal qualifications but still get sued for neglect. This means anyone who practices hypnosis without the proper elements in place can be sued for neglegence.

I just put a price of £30s because I don't think you could afford any more.
Plus if I get you the info which you can't find on google you will just leap to something else.
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Well supported? How so? Where are the articles or statutes or precedents or any documentation? My comparison with doctors had a point. A good point. It shows the difference between legally requiring a license to do something from not requiring a license to do something. We are talking about legality, this is a subject that YOU brought up as a tangent to stage and audience management which in turn is a tangent to the initial issue of if a burn blister is possible through hypnosis alone. So what can we conclude from this? That to perform in most venues one needs to be insured but this would be the same for a magician or a mentalist or any other performance art that includes active audience participation on stage and what not. This does not make hypnosis more dangerous than those performance arts. The opportunity to get sued is pretty much equal amongst them. Also, this is at the discretion of the venue as opposed to something one much abide by due to legality.

So, again, what is your argument? Are you going to go back talking about blisters? Are you going to argue about the legality of being able to hypnotize or not? Are you going to talk about insurance matters? Are you going to talk about issues of negligence and malpractice? Also, how are you interchanging license with insurance? They are two separate things even according to the Oxford dictionary ( here you go: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/license ). Insurance is not the same thing as being granted the right or permission to do something. If anything, having insurance could be a prerequisite to receiving a license to perform at the venue but this is at the discretion of the venue operator. If the venue requires you to have insurance then of course you need insurance. If they told you that one of the prerequisites was that you had to wear yellow from top to bottom, of course you will have to oblige. Wholly up to the discretion of the venue operator.

Long story short, stop trying to muddle up the fact that one does not need a license to have the legal right to hypnotize (because there isn't one) with the fact that one needs a license/permit/permission to perform at a certain venue and that it may require a prerequisite of the performer having liability insurance (but this is at the discretion of the venue operator).

By the way, you priced your services at 30 pounds because obviously with your failure to settle and support a single argument, your services and knowledge is questionable at best. As for googling information, at least I've done my due diligence in finding supporting documents and what not to support my statements, this is something that you have not done so.
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Here is a link to a report on dangers of hypnosis.

I Ididn't write it but it covers EVERYTHING we have spoke about. You will find everything here including links to Halpern and Paul Mckenna and the fact that the court ruled that hypnosis DID trigger Schizophrenia

http://tinyurl.com/3y938sd

For those that have face book you can see a number of examples of replies from uk councils however there are many more available..They all say exactly the same thing...


http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/topic......topic=51

And this letter from government may be of interest:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/topic......topic=56
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Thank you, finally, some sources Smile Let me read and digest.

Alright, so I've figured it out from that letter you referred to. Basically the Hypnotism Act of 1952 really has no limitations on who can be a hypnotist and perform. The limitations actually come from the Licensing Act of 2003 which is actually independent of the Hypnotism Act. So one needs a site license to perform at a public venue and that license requires liability insurance (the kind of insurance one takes out in case the venue burns down, etc.). This basically goes the same for any kind of performer performing in a public space. You should've pointed out the Licensing Act 2003 earlier instead of all this back and forth.
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The licensing act doesn't seem to include magic or hypnosis in any form and also creates exceptions for things education etc

Btw. There are considerably more 'biscuit related incidents' per annum than there are hypnosis related ones. Thankfully the people at McVities don't feel the need to scaremonger.
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LoL. That's the conclusion I came to Zeruble. The only group that really seems to care if you are a hypnotist or not appears to be the insurance company. The government could care less (which is evident how there is very little limitations noted in the Hypnotism Act). The government just needs you to acquire a site license to use the venue but they expect the same thing from anybody or any group who wishes to perform at a venue. They don't really care about what kind of performer you are (unless you are planning on a triple X rated pornographic show, etc.).
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On 2010-09-23 07:04, JonChase wrote:
No, it's bloody stupid.

There isn't a living hypnotist alive that can do more than cause slight blushing.


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I thought you told us you broke somebody's leg?


I thought this was a joke, and I laughed quite hard.
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Let's Make This As Simple As Possible For Everyone..

(Especially for the Readers of this thread - http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=22&68 and also this thread:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=22&4 and finally this thread:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=22&43


I'd love to see them try and wiggle out of this info:

Let's Make This As Simple As Possible For Everyone..

01) The 1952 Hypnotism Act - http://www.opsi.gov.uk/RevisedStatutes/A......046_en_1 this still stands as LAW in England and to Legally Perform any Hypnotist must obtain a License/Permission for a Demonstration of Hypnosis to take place at any “Public Venue” – this essentially meant any Pub, Theatre, and other venue except for Private Members Clubs until the Licensing Act 2003 Came into Play in England.

02) In 1989 “Model Conditions” were introduced which any UK Council Authority were encouraged and allowed to attach as conditions of granting a Performance/demonstration of Hypnotism License and then in 1995 there was a Government Review on Hypnosis Safety and this led to the updated 1996 Model Conditions which basically all UK Councils attach to the conditions of your performance being legal when they grant your license/permission under the 1952 Hypnotism act and these are detailed in the document at: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.u......639.html

03) However the Licensing Act 2003 has in UK Law enlarged the meaning of “Public Venue” and its legalise interpretation so that as confirmed by most all of the 450+ UK Legal Licensing Enforcement Units, this now also covers (in their legal opinion) Private Members Clubs and also outdoor venues, town centres and also the Streets, thus making so called Impromptu Street Hypnosis ILLEGAL without the correct Licenses being applied for and in place. For those who are members of Facebook There are some very useful examples of UK Councils opinions on this at - http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages#!/t......topic=51 and you can also see what Central Government have to say on the issue at this link: http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages#!/t......topic=56

04) As you will notice from the above NO UK Council District will grant such permission/license to perform Hypnosis without the Hypnotist having in place the correct Public Liability & Professional Indemnity Insurance Cover which covers for whilst the volunteers are “In Trance” and such insurance cover costs anywhere from £700 up to £1,000 per year even if you’re a member of The Federation of Ethical Stage Hypnotists and/or Equity. Hence so many UK Stage Hypnotists and Most all Street Hypnotists do not have such insurance and as such are BREAKING THE LAW.

05) IN England (UK) and many other places it is Compulsory and LAW to have Public Liability and in certain cases Professional Indemnity Insurance in Place for ANY KIND OF BUSINESS OR ACTIVITY WHICH INVOLVES THE PUBLIC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liability_insurance and also check - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurance - the bottom line means that any Stage or Street Hypnotist or Magician & Mentalist who uses even just a bit of hypnosis in their act is BREAKING THE LAW and committing a CRIMINAL Offence if they do not have such insurance cover in place.

06) Also to not have such insurance cover will make it IMPOSSIBLE for them to get a Legal License and Permission granted by any UK Council to perform any demonstration of Hypnosis in any Public Place (which as explained above now includes in many areas Private Members Clubs and Most all Areas also includes Town Centres, Streets and Outdoor Locations thus making Street and Impromtu hypnosis ILLEGAL without such under the 1952 Hypnotism Act and also under the affects of the Licensing Act 2003 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/17/contents

07) Further it is LAW IN ENGLAND that all businesses need a Written Health & Safety Risk Assessment in place http://www.cipd.co.uk/subjects/health/ge......work.htm - The fine point of law to consider here is that “employees” in legalise and UK Law can be paid or unpaid. In otherwords the Legalise (the language of UK Law which gives different meaning than the usual dictionary - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_writing ) means that even Volunteers who participate for no payment during A Stage/Street Hypnosis Show can in Legalise (UK LAW) be defined as being integral to that performance and therefore classed as employees even if they receive no payment. As such and because the Law dictates that if more than 5 Employees are being used (eg more than 5 volunteers in one stage show or one outing of Street Hypnosis which is more than likely in most all cases) then in UK Law A full detailed written Health & Safety Executive Approved Written Risk Assessment of the activities must have been completed in advance, and also at arrival at each venue a venue specific written risk assessment must be completed and these legal dated documents must be kept on file for several years as per the Legal Legislation. TO NOT DO SO IS A CRIMINAL OFFENCE.

08) The failure of any Hypnotist to have any of these elements in place before they conduct any form of Hypnosis demonstration in any location in England means that they will either be breaking Health & Safety Laws, Insurance Laws (duty of care etc) and/or the Hypnotism Act 1952 and Licensing Act 2003. And basically if anything were ever to go wrong, whether they were responsible for it or not the chances are they would still be found guilty of NEGLIGENCE and possibly also as stated already other CRIMINAL offences as well.

09) Indeed Street Hypnotists in UK would never be granted a License by most UK Councils as has been confirmed by them in writing from their Legal Departments, many of whom have confirmed that they deem Hypnosis on The Streets to BE TOO GREAT A RISK - http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages#!/t......topic=51

10) Ironically the correct nature of Insurance Cover is now available for members of The Professional Organisation of Stage & Street Hypnotists (POSH) who have studied “The Transparency Template” Safety & Legal Training Course for just £150 Sterling a Year as per - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH7xyqp8oiI

11) Anyone who has studied this Comprehensive Course will have learnt in-depth all of the following - http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea......36692407

12) And perhaps most importantly they will learn this from an experienced Ex-Health and Safety Officer of high profile indoor and outdoor entertainments events, and also several highly experienced working professional Stage/Street Hypnotists all of whom always have and always have had the correct Licenses (where needed by law) in place, the correct insurances, risk assessments and all other elements in place. Watch this for more details - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJd1b_hojeg

13) All of the above is indeed relevant and LAW in England (UK) whether you choose to believe that Hypnosis is completely safe or you choose to examine the evidence and realise that Hypnosis indeed has many potential dangers both of a Physical and also Psychological and/or Emotional Nature.

14) The fact is HYPNOSIS IS DANGEROUS and there is very real evidence to suggest (and ins some cases prove beyond reasonable legal doubt) that Hypnosis can trigger off Schizophrenia and other mental conditions which may be lying dormant and indeed could even be a contributory factor to someone’s death. All of the easily checkable and easily researched sources can be found in the 27 Page report which can be instantly downloaded here - http://tinyurl.com/3y938sd

15) You’ll also find at the link of http://tinyurl.com/3y938sd details and proof of Legal Precedents (eg cases that have been won against UK Hypnotists) for not abiding by some, or all of the above things.

16) The bottom line is if your not abiding by all of the above and getting the correct documents and stuff in place THEN YOUR BREAKING THE LAW IN ENGLAND on many levels.

17) Indeed the areas such as Negligence and Potential Criminal Charges being taken against a Hypnotist for CRIMINAL ASSAULT apply to most all countries in the world and are explained in depth in the excellent book “Practising Safe Hypnosis” by Roger Hambleton http://www.amazon.co.uk/Practising-Safe-......99836942 - this book also details how the MCKENNA case concluded that HYPNOSIS DID MOST LIKELY TRIGGER THE SCHIZOPHRENIA.

18) Bottom Line – Whether you like it or not it’s a LEGAL REQUIREMENT (on many levels) for all of these elements to be in place in England and for most all of them to also be in place wherever you are located in the World otherwise YOU WILL BE BREAKING VARIOUS LAWS and not just those which are hypnosis and/or entertainment specific.

19) And there is only one course which truly goes into great depth and teaches all you need to know about UK Laws and Legislation and also how the Legal Ground Lies for most other places in the world and that’s THE TRANSPARENCY TEMPLATE – Which is currently available exclusively only from Russell Hall’s “Magick Enterprises” in Sheffield as per: http://magickwords.wordpress.com/about/

20) Finally for more documents, facts, evidence and discussion of the topics mentioned above those of you who have a facebook account may wish to join this facebook group - http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=......9&ref=ts
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I've started self harming again. Hey it's not the worst option.
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14) The fact is HYPNOSIS IS DANGEROUS and there is very real evidence to suggest (and ins some cases prove beyond reasonable legal doubt) that Hypnosis can trigger off Schizophrenia and other mental conditions which may be lying dormant and indeed could even be a contributory factor to someone’s death. All of the easily checkable and easily researched sources can be found in the 27 Page report which can be instantly downloaded here - http://tinyurl.com/3y938sd




I started to read the article, but it was so incredibly poorly written I finally gave up. It seemed to follow the old "If you can't convince them with facts, baffle them with BS" credo.

Be that as it may, I find that what I read of it was an amazing bit of attempted terrorism rather than a factual analysis, a study that replaced systematic proof with undocumented (except for second-hand anecdotal stories) including one of the sources admitting that "These reports all come from papers consciously, industriously and mayhap deviously constructing “sick sex porno-hypno show” articles." (http://magonia.haaan.com/2009/blue/). Indeed, in today's style of "journalism" via the internet, it would probably be possible to prove that Hitler was a gay Jewish man with one testicle.

In looking the article, the most obvious thing to be noted is that instances of harm attributed to public hypnosis shows seem to appear at rate of about one per decade. This implies that either problems in shows are rare or that there are few hypnosis shows. In either case, claiming in all caps that "Hypnosis is Dangerous" is highly overblown.

You claim above that there is "very real evidence" but that it would only "suggest" that hypnosis is dangerous. Sorry, MP, but "very real evidence" does not "suggest" (or imply or insinuate or hint at or intimate or give the impression). "Very real evidence" is quite direct.

Courts do NOT determine whether something is the cause of another thing except for legal situations. Ten thousand courts could rule that hypnosis "can trigger off Schizophrenia and other mental conditions," but that does not make it so any more than the rulings of the Catholic church that the planets orbited the Earth made it so. Courts can determine if someone can be held liable for certain actions, but it is scientific investigation, not the courts, that will determine if hypnosis can trigger schizophrenia or any other of your unnamed "mental conditions."

You made your claim, so please provide some SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to support it. Specifically, what is the EXACT MECHANISM by which hypnosis triggers schizophrenia. No guesses or weasel words (might, could, may, etc.) but the specific mechanisms. Then please provide at least one peer-reviewed medical or psychological journal supporting this evidence. Do so and I will certainly agree with you.

Not living in England I have neither the time nor the desire to examine all of your other claims. I will say that it is foolish to give a performance in the U.S. whether either the venue or the performer is not fully covered by liability insurance. I will also say that there are performers who are either ill-trained, are caught up in the excitement of a performance, or who are just idiots who do not watch out for the safety of their performers. However, that has NOTHING to do with hypnosis being dangerous, it has to do with people being stupid.

Even if it could be shown--and I would contend that scientifically it cannot--that hypnosis "can" (I note that you refuse to use the word "does") trigger schizophrenia (a very non-medical description; certain stimuli can trigger schizophrenic episodes, but not schizophrenia), and it can be shown that every stage hypnotist is an idiot, the numbers simply do NOT support your claim of hypnosis being dangerous.

Each year in the U.S. there are 40,000 injuries due to toilets.
Each year in the U.S. there are currently 500,000 aspirin poisonings.

Are you going to outlaw toilets and aspirin? They are far more dangerous than any supposed problem with hypnosis.
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I am not outlawing anything. Are you qualified to to say hypnosis is totally safe? I know I am not qualified to say it is one way or another. There are far more qualified people who believe it is dangerous. The fact is it can't be proved one way or another. Having said that I have had numerous experiences that throw doubt in my mind that hypnosis is totally safe. Im very surprised that any hypnotist who has done enough shows hasn't had them.

I have enough respect for my volunters to er of the side of caution.

As for terrorizing? Give me a break Craig... Its called information facts. Of course you are entitled to come to your own conclusions. I am pleased you feel qualified to dismiss the conclusions in those links because after nearly 20 years as a professional hypnotist I know I am not.

As for asprins I am not qualified to comment one way or another and my business is hypnosis not pharmaceuticals what a rediculous thing to say.
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I said >>>>Having said that I have had numerous experiences that throw doubt in my mind that hypnosis is totally safe<<<

Of course I mean hypnosis ISN'T totally safe. I am not saying it is or not only stating I have my own doubts due to my own experience.
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I am not outlawing anything. Are you qualified to to say hypnosis is totally safe? I know I am not qualified to say it is one way or another.


And yet you chose to post that claim. You posted, "The fact is HYPNOSIS IS DANGEROUS." That means you're either a terrorist or a liar. Which is it?

I have never said that "hypnosis is totally safe." Once again you attempt to manipulate words. If I had made that claim then even one instance of hypnosis causing something would prove me wrong. Walking down the street isn't "totally" safe. But what I CAN say is that hypnosis is safer than taking aspirin. What I CAN say is that hypnosis is safer than using a toilet. What I CAN say is that hypnosis is safer than allopathic medicine. What I CAN say is that hypnosis is safer than going to the hospital.


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There are far more qualified people who believe it is dangerous.


Apparently, you either didn't read or didn't understand what I posted. So let me try again so that even you can understand it: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO BELIEVES HYPNOSIS IS DANGEROUS. What matters is scientific proof. Not implications. Not suggestions. But actual scientific data that reveals the EXACT mechanism of how hypnosis is dangerous.

YOU posted a link to a horribly written article claiming that hypnosis "can" trigger schizophrenia (not "does" cause, but "can" trigger). Unless you're a hypocrite and don't believe what you post, you're supporting this conclusion. I asked above and I ask again: What is the exact mechanism by which hypnosis triggers schizophrenia and include proof with a peer-reviewed article from a medical or psychological journal. If you can't do that STOP SPREADING LIES IN AN ATTEMPT TO TERRORIZE PEOPLE.

I have never accused you of trying to outlaw anything. Nice try to turn the attention to a straw many argument. EPIC FAIL. Deal with the issues.


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The fact is it can't be proved one way or another. Having said that I have had numerous experiences that throw doubt in my mind that hypnosis is totally safe. Im very surprised that any hypnotist who has done enough shows hasn't had them.


Once again you're totally wrong. It absolutely CAN be shown that hypnosis is safe. How? It's called "statistics." In the long, poorly-written article that you are so hot for it seems to show that only one person per decade is legally (if not factually) harmed by hypnosis. More people are harmed watching football games every MONTH. Statistically, hypnosis is one of the safest things in the world.

As I wrote, there are ill-trained, excited, or idiot hypnotists who don't watch out for the safety of their performers. That has NOTHING to do with hypnosis. It has EVERYTHING to do with incompetence. Put someone into hypnosis and they're not going to walk off a stage. Give them an unthinking suggestion and they might do that. People do stupid things every day and hurt themselves without being hypnotized.

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I have enough respect for my volunters to er of the side of caution.

But according to your claims of having problems, you don't "er" enough.

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As for terrorizing? Give me a break Craig... Its called information facts.


No, you're not spreading "facts." Your spreading opinions and beliefs as if they were facts. Saying that other people believe it (a typical trick of Fox News and their frequent use of "Some say...") does not eliminate your responsibility for trying to terrorize people into a state of fear (You're going to be sued for thousands! You'll lose everything! 'HYPNOSIS IS DANGEROUS!") over either hypnotizing or being hypnotized.

JUST FREAKIN' STOP TRYING TO TERRORIZE PEOPLE! STOP SPREADING BELIEFS AND MISINFORMATION AND CLAIMING IT IS "FACT!" Man up and take responsibility for what you're doing.

{quote]Of course you are entitled to come to your own conclusions. I am pleased you feel qualified to dismiss the conclusions in those links because after nearly 20 years as a professional hypnotist I know I am not.[/quote]

Then you don't know the difference between law and science, belief and fact. You're like the prelates who condemned Galileo because he stated scientific fact while they followed all the religious links (metaphorically speaking) showing that their beliefs, based on their interpretation of a law book (i.e., the Bible) were scientific facts.

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As for asprins I am not qualified to comment one way or another and my business is hypnosis not pharmaceuticals what a rediculous thing to say.


Yeah. It would seem that science does get in the way of your belief system. You seem to be whining "Believe me! I know what I'm talking about." Well, when it comes to aspirin, I say "Don't believe me." Check it out for yourself. You seem intelligent enough to be able to clink on a link because you post them enough and believe them. Go into that box at the top of your browser and do a web search for "number of deaths from aspirin" and see whether or not I'm accurate.
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Dmkraig, MP obviously can't acceptably answer your questions. Experience has shown that he will rebut with either a tangent or circle back to some absurd earlier point just to change the subject.
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Thank you, kisssdadookie.

In reality, however, my post was not just for MP. This is a public forum. My comments were as much for others as they were to him.

Sometimes, much to my surprise, MP does make some absolutely great and insightful posts. In this case he is not, and he's using bullying tactics to convince people otherwise. Standing up with truth to bullies may result in a bruise or two, but it is a good thing.
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Craig its strange how you can blow with the wind in different directions. It was only a few weeks ago you were ranting on how my mp3s for stage fright are potentially dangerous. ( I've never ever heard or read of any recording being potentially dangerous) Which to me was very irrational and most likely a knee jerk reaction to the fact someone was actually getting benefit from them.

Yet when a serious topic comes up that has respected experts doubting the safety in real life cases you dismiss it as terrorism?

at least your consistently irrational. I merely point out facts and let everyone come to their own conclusions. Yet the knee jerk reactions of the "mob" on here are very telling about their ability to actually have a rational discussion about the subject.

The fact is there are prominent members of the medical world who do believe hypnosis can be dangerous for certain individuals. That is a fact. You may not agree with them but it doesn't change the fact that it is indded a fact.

It seems to me that you are incabable of an intelligent and rational debate on the subject. Like many on here you have kneejerk emotional reaction to what is common sense to consider.

Not a very professional approach to the "profession" I say that lightly because the growing majority on here are amatuer dabblers and are the least qualified to give an opinion.

I remember all the times you called me a liar and asked to see videos. I backed up what I said and have since uploaded videos of me performing in front of crowds and in venues I claimed.

Now I think its your turn. let us see your videos of you performing? Or do you have something to hide. Becuase as you nce said to me until we see who we are talking to your input on here has no credibility.

So come on Craig where are your videos? Lets see them?

I don't need to see the majority of others on here because they have no credibility.
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