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mavericklancer
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Hey all,

I've recently started adding Anniversary Waltz to my repertoire, and I'm in need of several more double faced cards. The problem is that my patter works best when the female card luckily turns out to be a queen of hearts. So, I was wondering if there was a company that would let me order custom Double backed cards.
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Have you considered splitting/making your own? Otherwise, you can order from a number of folks, including Marty Grams, and a few others who will likely chime in here.
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I thought about making them, but any process I can think of (that I can do without purchasing anything expensive extra) will only make the card suspiciously thick. I want it to be unquestionably one single card.

I'll be sure to look into Marty's site. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Good splitting does not make your card thicker. I you split well, the card is just a card as any other card.
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Zebaztian is absolutely correct. If you do go to Marty for your cards you would be doing yourself a favor to also purchase his card splitting DVD (and lecture notes) while you're at it. Then hop on over to Lybrary.com for a copy of Craig Matsuoka's The Gaff Factory.

Best of luck!
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I'll look more into the card splitting idea, and most likely try it at least once. Any recommendations on glue?
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Maverick.....

There is a better way, and you can design your own cards, get the proper finish and have them printed, and you can create MANY gaffs here ...........

http://www.lybrary.com/card_designer/

The designer is FREE.

All you need to do is to invest in the card stock, a cutter, the finish, and a rounder. Kinkos can do the printing. All of the preceeding is offered through Lybrary.com

Professional gaffs designed by... YOU.

Namaste,
Vlad

PS: Splitting is fine, but really, with modern printing tech, splitting is going the way of the dodo. Marty Grams is a great guy, as is Card Shark, but, I have used Lybrary's design software and it is perfect. I am a graphic artist, so I will be doing gaffed Tarot cards as well. Try it. You have nothing to lose except time. You desire perhaps to make a new set of Sideswiped, Red see Passover, or as you stated, custom DF, it's ALL there. Double enders, splits, the whole thing. And...

NO glue!
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I have all of the materials that Vlad mentions above, and they are terrific tools and resources. It depends on how much you want to invest, and how much use you will get out of it. If you only want a few cards now and again, you may find this solution out of your price range. Even so, the card stock that Chris offers at Lybrary is affordable, and as Vlad mentions, you can have the printing done at Kinkos.

As for splitting... I used to use Elmer's no wrinkle rubber cement, but now I use dry mount tissue, which bonds the cards together and gives them the same crisp feel as the rest of the cards in the deck. For more info on this you can reference the Matsuoka book mentioned in my previous post, or check out one of Todd Lassen's gaffing geniis.
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Vlad, that sounds like a great suggestion, but I'm only really doing magic as a hobby for a few family and friends. I'm really only going to need maybe 10 or so per year. Like Magiguy said, it's a bit out of my price range for the amount I need.

Magiguy, the idea of the dry mount tissue sounds pretty good. I've been worried about rubber cement making air pockets or seeping out the sides, making a thick card. I'll be checking out the Matsuoka book.

Thanks to everyone for their help so far.
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I would also like to suggest the idea of pooling of resources. For example, why not purchase card making tools (KardKutter, corner rounder etc.) for a club and then share them among club members?

Or perhaps some of those who already invested in a set of tools and materials might consider offering card making services for a fee to others.

I get frequently asked if I offer card making services. I wish I could, but I simply have no time. My day is filled with running Lybrary.com and being a father and husband. But if I would be looking to start a little side business making cards for others would be high on my list. I know there is a need for it. There are a couple of very good card makers already in business but I think the demand is high enough for others to build a business.
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On 2010-09-22 12:16, Chris wrote:
...But if I would be looking to start a little side business making cards for others would be high on my list. I know there is a need for it. ... but I think the demand is high enough for others to build a business.


I doubt; just regarding commercial reasons.
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On 2010-09-22 12:46, CardMaker wrote:
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On 2010-09-22 12:16, Chris wrote:
...But if I would be looking to start a little side business making cards for others would be high on my list. I know there is a need for it. ... but I think the demand is high enough for others to build a business.


I doubt; just regarding commercial reasons.


Actually, as a graphic artist who has a KEEN interest in this I believe there is an excellent market actually. The market I believe exists for those who do trade shows and want and need custom gaffs at an affordable price, there DOES seem to be an untapped market for Tarot gaffs as well.

Imagine how many books one reads only to find out that a specific gaff is needed.

Finally, as a graphic designer, I see infinite possibilities for creating period piece cards, for magicians who wish to market a new effect and need custom art work.

If I do this, the magician gets a BIG break on price because I do not have to pay a middle man, i.e. artist.

Competition is a healthy thing and I do NOT believe in "doubt".

So, in January I will be purchasing ad space here at the Café. I believe I have some wonderful things to offer that no other card maker can. And I can offer a line of gaffs that are well made even for the hobbyist. No, I am not boasting. I am confident. I read the demand here EVERY DAY for gaffs and frankly, in the spirit of healthy competition, I do not think the demand is being met.

Namaste,
Vlad
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I do offer gaffed cards for people who read a book and are looking for a specific card. May it be printed or handmade. Mostly the need only a few.

Big runs of cards (except for shim and magnetic cards) have to be printed - and they should be factory quality on factory card stock: so to say the should meet USPCC standards.

Now I don't want you to discourage in offering your services, but think about your invest & return if you do it right. And better never think about an hourly wage.

I do this for about 9 years now ...
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I think the opportunities for custom card makers are huge and for the most part unexplored. And I am not talking about your standard double-facer or double-backer card. I am talking mostly about new ideas which custom printing opens up.

I love Vlad's idea of gaffed Tarot cards. This is a completely untapped area and I am already excited to see what Vlad will come up with. But there are many many possibilities from new types of comedy and gaff cards, to personalized business cards or custom decks, to cards made for a special performance or event, ... and don't forget that there are many game developers who need to make prototype decks for their games to demo them etc.

I also think that this is a business that can be started with a small investment and then grown into something big if you are successful. With a few hundred dollars you can buy a printer, cutting tools and supplies to start making cards. Perhaps this first step is mostly to make cards for yourself and a few friends. Once you are comfortable with the process you might manufacture some of your ideas for sale. This will bring in the first requests to manufacture custom cards from the outside. If you are a good designer the opportunities are huge. And as your business grows you add larger printers, perhaps even a dedicated sheet coating machine, and with hard work and some luck you might even grow into a full fledged custom card maker that pumps out hundreds of decks each day.
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There are real opportunities there, and not just in Tarot cards. Personally, I think the idea of a totally custom printed deck is interesting, and not just for magicians. They'd make great gifts or keepsakes, depending what you put on them.
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Splitting cards sounds like a fascinating project, but I'm glad there's so many modern printing options as well.
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Gaffed tarot cards or even normal individual tarot cards would be a great idea.

As a case in point I am currently struggling to get together three suitable antique/dignified looking cards for a presentation of "Gypsy Monte". I need an Ace of coins that has a large coin taking up most of the face of the card. I also need an interesting looking Fool. Finally I want a full size traditional Grim reaper type Death card which will give an immediate impact to the eye.I am no good with a printer.I want to buy them if at all possible.

I really do like the fool and the Ace of Coins as contained in Christian's (Card Shark's) tarot deck but sod's law is that I do not like his choice of design for Death which lacks the power to shock as a kicker.

Probably will have to end up paying out God knows how much on Ebay for a Tarot de Marseille deck. Smile
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