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Can someone explain to me why we (yes, WE. We ARE the Government) Executed a Woman who did not kill anyone, yet we gave Life to the two guys who actualy did the dirty deed. I just don't get it.
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She masterminded the operation to kill two people and hired the two people to do it. She was the proximate cause, much like Charles Manson masterminded everything, but didn't kill anyone...perhaps a bad example because he's not on death row - but that's California, which is a different place altogether.

With that, I'm going to leave the thread now because these Capital Punishment discussions never go amiably.
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Could somebody post a link for those that are less up-to-date with current events...like myself? TIA.
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I'm assuming the VA woman is the person being discussed...
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No one can explain it to you. The death penalty is barbaric.
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On 2010-09-24 12:02, AsL wrote:
Could somebody post a link for those that are less up-to-date with current events...like myself? TIA.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/23/wom......testnews

It's probably worth reading the story to get the background / details. It's a little complicated. Also, one of the killers committed suicide in 2006.
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On 2010-09-24 12:08, kcg5 wrote:
No one can explain it to you. The death penalty is barbaric.


Ditto
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At an earlier behind closed doors trial,judge Teresa Lewis,meted out the death penalty to two innocent people.
Apparently she wholeheartedly agreed with the death penalty.Even when no crime was committed.
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On 2010-09-24 12:08, kcg5 wrote:
No one can explain it to you. The death penalty is barbaric.



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Ditto


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On 2010-09-24 13:06, Ray Tupper. wrote:
At an earlier behind closed doors trial,judge Teresa Lewis,meted out the death penalty to two innocent people.
Apparently she wholeheartedly agreed with the death penalty.Even when no crime was committed.


Yeah, so that makes it ok to do it to her? Do we really base our morality on what others do and think?
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On 2010-09-24 10:44, irossall wrote:
Can someone explain to me why we (yes, WE. We ARE the Government) Executed a Woman who did not kill anyone, yet we gave Life to the two guys who actualy did the dirty deed. I just don't get it.
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You probably already know this, but for others who may not see the same discrepancy:

(From the FOXNews link I posted)

"The Lewis execution stirred an unusual amount of attention because of her gender, claims she lacked the intelligence to mastermind the killings and the post-conviction emergence of defense evidence that one of the triggermen manipulated her."

Another links notes:

"Her supporters never said Lewis was innocent or that she shouldn't be punished. But they said she did not deserve to die because she was borderline mentally retarded, with the intellectual ability of about a 13-year-old, and was manipulated by a smarter conspirator. It was wrong for her to be sentenced to death, they said, when the two men who fired the shots received life terms."

http://hamptonroads.com/2010/09/teresa-l......-stepson

If it is as these stories say, then perhaps she lacked a good enough lawyer.

And I wonder what the actual post-conviction defense evidence was?
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I think it is important to get the message out to women, inparticularly my wife, that it is WRONG to have your husband killed, just plain wrong.
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On 2010-09-24 12:08, kcg5 wrote:
No one can explain it to you. The death penalty is barbaric.

Yea gotta say I am not a fan either. Too much "ick" on it for me.

Texas has trie to speed the process along as much as possible of late.
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She had it coming. Her peers decided she was wicked enough to have her life snuffed like she had her family members. You don't want to be executed, don't have your family killed.
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What about strangers?
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On 2010-09-25 01:42, Brian Proctor wrote:
She had it coming. Her peers decided she was wicked enough to have her life snuffed like she had her family members. You don't want to be executed, don't have your family killed.


Exactly.

To Santa that goes for strangers too. If one doesn't want to pay the price they have to face once they have committed such crime they shouldn't do it. It doesn't matter what the person's mental status of the person that commits the crime at the time it takes place either.

But I know you don't agree with death sentences but that's o.k. that's not a strike against you. It's your opinion which you are very entitled too.

I'm glad they did it to her. Thankfully the Gov wasn't a wimpy one.
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I'd like to know how borderline she is.
The fact is that the courts have upheld the execution of mentally retarded individuals as unconstitutional under the 8th amendment.
Their inability to comprehend the nature and purpose of their punishment undermines the retributive aspects as well.
The most widely accepted IQ score used for mental retardation diagnosis is the DSM standard of 70. The problem is that IQ tests aren't all that accurate.
So if she's really borderline then that's getting into pretty sensitive territory, constitutionally speaking.
That all varies by state, as with pretty much all legal discussion, but these are the most common definitions.
On a personal level, I am against the death penalty as well. My main reason isn't that I don't think killers should be punished though, it's that there is a historical precedent of executed individuals later being found innocent of the crime for which they were killed. That means that the state has murdered innocent people. It's a fact. I feel that if we execute one innocent person then that's one too many.
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Anyone who wants to review that 8th amendment business can research "Atkins v Virginia."
We had to study a looooooooooot of these cases in my forensic psych classes.
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What I don't understand is why you would want to be a witness, I am sure that the family are upset, but why would you want to watch her being put to death (shudder)?
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