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mindpunisher
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Well em they stop responding!! Or in the case above they didn't respond at all. The guy in the video claimed its first time it happened to him.

I have never heard of ALL the volunteers not responding myself. Who knows what happened?

Part of the fun called hypnosis.
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I've never had anyone go 'flying' nor for that matter have I ever had a problem with waking them up. I had one young girl in Keale University who was brought to me after the show because she had gone 'funny' in the audience and it turned out she was drunk.

My thinking behind insurance MP is that it doesn't stop people from driving drunk and killing other people and it won't stop an idiot not managing their stage properly. And trust me, it won't stop the media jumping all over something regardless of whether you is a member of this or that group, club or onion ;-)

As for unqualified and untrained and inexperienced you were all those things once, as was I. People have to start somewhere. I have even seen so called 'safe' professionals leave the stage while half naked people are tumbling and climbing over badly made props. I still think being insured doesn't stop stupidity.

And for the record, there is No recognised qualification, no better teacher than those who have been and done it and only one way to get experience - although in some cases even that doesn't mean improvement in skill nor safety.

And for the record the Hypnotist in the 30 odd years I have been doing this stuff has survived one associated death, two nationally reported court cases, Halpern's was way back in the 90's so lets forget it ey? It was actually £20,000 , however, The Hypnotist has even survived JR and the massive bad publicity he got for it in the 90's. Some twonk zapping someone in the street and twisting a wrist wouldn't even get on here, let alone the press. In My Opinion that is.
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Hah! Well said Jon. A last, some realistic down to earth response. I, like many others, are sick of the likes of MP and their agendas.
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I agree zero, sorely tempted to attend Jon's training after that post, he da daddy!
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Yes. That was the point I was trying to make with the original post.
I'm not trying to scaremonger or turn this into another "danger" or "insurance" thread. If you haven't encountered people who go so quickly and easily, you probably just haven't hypnotized enough people.

Owen then asked why I thought the guy had "gone" and if someone isn't responding to a simple suggestion, doesn't that mean they aren't hypnotised?

So I found a video which described many people not responding to the important suggestion "Wake Up!" OK. Maybe it was just teen hysteria, but it made it on to the news and eventually Youtube under the title "Botched Hypnotism"

As for recognising the signs of hypnosis from just a video. Well I saw it in glorious HDTV the first time(!) but yes. I see complete fascination and absorption. As Jon said: A missed opportunity. On some level, it must have reminded me exactly of the opportunity I missed on stage, once upon a time.

One of the reasons I'm so cautious, apart from it being in my nature, is that I work in a very small city in a very small country and I listen to stories from audience members and clients about what they don't like about other hypnotists (my competition.) Whether you like it or not, a blatant disregard for the volunteers often comes into it.

The original post was in no way meant as a direct and negative criticism of the mentalist involved and given we have now exchanged contact details, I think he knows that.

When I said "I don't like it." I didn't like it because:
1. It WAS a missed opportunity
2. Hypnosis isn't necessary for the trick but it did happen.
3. Some will see this as an example of how pretending it IS necessary will enhance many an effect BUT be prepared to meet someone who will go under so easily through just pretending.
4. I'm a fussy, pedantic, hard-to-please audience who loves helping other people, sometimes through criticism.
5. I was just expressing my opinion.

Jon Chase is an excellent trainer and I would recommend his training. He has taught me a LOT. I'm sure he also taught Ant a LOT. He does take safety VERY seriously and has many stories (some he has posted elsewhere) of what can happen in the crazy world of stage hypnosis. He has said that part of his approach to training is that you can learn from his stuff-ups. And despite one chapter of "Deeper and Deeper" being dedicated to Impromptu Hypnosis, he doesn't like street hypnosis.

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On 2010-10-14 11:35, mindpunisher wrote:
Owen I think Reg might on the cautious side. When youve been doing hypnosis for a while you recognise the non verbals of trance. But I think really the point he is making (correct me if I am wrong Reg) is that some people do go into trance very easy. And some people when they go they go like a ton of bricks. Seriously they go flying if you don't know what your doing or aren't prepared for it.
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Yes Reg but I haven't posted anything to scaremonger anybody. my posts are a reaction to the unbalanced view that there are no dangers no laws to worry about and no limits to who these products are sold to. And to the fantasy that no one has ever or will be injured or sied due to a careless or ill trained hypnotist. Or that those that buy these products are not any way putting themselves in any form of risk whatsoever. Of course to do so might slow the marketing of those products.

Its about time somebody put some balance on here... Not because I have any products to sell I have no financial gain. Which I believe is part of the motivation to deny all risks.

And because I have lived and worked through the trainwreck of the last generation of hypnotists. And Firmly believe it could and most likely will happen again.

And whether you intended it or not your thread on here has contributed to my posts. Great example of what can go wrong even with an experienced hypnotist. Imagine some poor kid coming up against that with no training just a few views of a cd. Imagine it happening in a public place in centre of town and making the news?

Are you telling that can never happen? Some people on here seem to be completely blind and when real proof and evidence is put in front of them they still can't see it.

Until one day it will be too late. And we will all suffer. The more of these posts and threads that go up the better if you ask me.

Funny that whenever anyone asks for proof and some goes up they then call it scare mongering? Like they are trying to play down what is obviously real. sonds more like self interest than common sense or objectivity if you ask me.
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Come on, the world could end tomorrow, anything COULD happen, it does NOT mean it will...
cant we all just calm down a bit a be adults, FFS chill out, your supposed to be professional ENTERTAINERS not the bleeding nanny state enforcers.

nothing happened in the vid clip, get over it, my job is getting more interesting than these posts.
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Nothing happened? it made the national news and nothing happened? Are you right in the head? Perhaps its not interesting to you as a hobby but to me its work it was my full time job for a long time. And after the stage I used hypnosis in many other contexts including corporate trainings. I still do. It IS my job. It s my livliehood. Not a hobby.
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I'm not accusing you of scaremongering MP. Far from it.
I understand your concerns and fail to see why many of your posts attract so much ire from others on here.
I was just answering those who might think *I* have an "agenda" with the original post.
Any links to your recent posts WERE unintentional, however I do see how it only takes a small lateral step from a discussion about missed opportunities, poor management, accidental inductions and not recognizing signs of hypnosis to discussions about more serious problems.


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On 2010-10-14 18:50, mindpunisher wrote:
Yes Reg but I haven't posted anything to scaremonger anybody. my posts are a reaction to the unbalanced view that there are no dangers no laws to worry about and no limits to who these products are sold to. And to the fantasy that no one has ever or will be injured or sied due to a careless or ill trained hypnotist. Or that those that buy these products are not any way putting themselves in any form of risk whatsoever. Of course to do so might slow the marketing of those products.

Its about time somebody put some balance on here... Not because I have any products to sell I have no financial gain. Which I believe is part of the motivation to deny all risks.

And because I have lived and worked through the trainwreck of the last generation of hypnotists. And Firmly believe it could and most likely will happen again.

And whether you intended it or not your thread on here has contributed to my posts. Great example of what can go wrong even with an experienced hypnotist. Imagine some poor kid coming up against that with no training just a few views of a cd. Imagine it happening in a public place in centre of town and making the news?

Are you telling that can never happen? Some people on here seem to be completely blind and when real proof and evidence is put in front of them they still can't see it.

Until one day it will be too late. And we will all suffer. The more of these posts and threads that go up the better if you ask me.

Funny that whenever anyone asks for proof and some goes up they then call it scare mongering? Like they are trying to play down what is obviously real. sonds more like self interest than common sense or objectivity if you ask me.
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Sorry we're more boring than your job Catweazle! LOL (BTW I loved that TV series as a kid.)

The thing is, this IS my job and as much as I'd like to think it's all about fun and giggles, a big part of that job is a sometimes tiring and boring responsibility to those I hypnotize, those I teach, those I entertain and those who book me to entertain and inform.

Of course, if you were sat in one of my audiences, I'd like to think you'd enjoy it and crack up laughing just like everyone else.

That's the way it should be, an audience shouldn't have to know about all the boring bits of the job, but it's not usually the audience who read these threads.

As I always say: If you as an audience can see the hard work an entertainer puts into his show, then he's not working hard enough.
When we watch a movie, we don't want to see actors working hard, we want to believe they are the character they're portraying.

But you don't have to take it just from me. Derren Brown once said "Never compromise on the unseen" or something similar and many of these boring discussions are about keeping the unseen unseen.

That's what makes us professional ENTERTAINERS and not just audience members mimicking the superficial.


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On 2010-10-14 19:07, catweazle wrote:
Come on, the world could end tomorrow, anything COULD happen, it does NOT mean it will...
cant we all just calm down a bit a be adults, FFS chill out, your supposed to be professional ENTERTAINERS not the bleeding nanny state enforcers.

nothing happened in the vid clip, get over it, my job is getting more interesting than these posts.
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Fair points, and I do understand your concerns, now have a great weekend entertaining folk and making money!
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Wow, if that clip made you talk.. just wait til you see the full show! Smile hahahaha

Reg: "As I always say: If you as an audience can see the hard work an entertainer puts into his show, then he's not working hard enough." - Amen

Who of you have some clips for view?
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