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Cabrera Special user Seattle 513 Posts |
Does anyone here perform the Misers dream using a metal can or bucket? Is it better to perform this ungimmicked or is there any type of gimmick to make it even more magical?
I would like to perfrom this in my stand up shows, but cleanly as possible. Thanks Charlie
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
Using a gimmicked coin pail makes it much easier to do. Owen has a beauty but very expensive. I use the Chrome plated Abbott Coin Pail and love it. It uses half dolllars or palming coins of that size. I have an extra pail in good used condition for sale if you are interested. I'll sell it for $50 plus shipping. In an old Abbott price list they were selling it for $165. It's probably higher now. PM me if interested.
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Tony Chapparo Special user Albuquerque, NM 704 Posts |
Bob Solari has a version of the misers dream that you can perform close up, it uses a small metal pail that is NOT gimmicked and a diabolical gaff. (The gaff is not connected to the pail)
It ends with a giant coin and all the coins you produced have vanished from the pail.
Tony Chapparo
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twistedace Inner circle philadelphia 3772 Posts |
Wow that last one sounds great. I do it ungimmicked myself. Jeff McBride teaches a nice beginners version on his coins thimbles and balls video volume one. Carl Cloutier has a great misers dream on his sleeving video ending in a production of whatever you choose from the spectator's jacket and it's a clean looking piece of magic, except for the end which is a bit provocative. Go with what works for you
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
anyone producing credit cards from thin air?
and does anyone here use a champagne bucket in real life? if so for what?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
Yes, for holding ice. But for that matter few people use small round boxes with covers to hold their coins or carry with them skeletal purse frames. These are props and audiences expect that a magician works with tools of the trade which are nor necessarily common items found around the house.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I'm happy you use a champagne bucket
I agree about alot of magicians using 'out of context' props. One of my friends suggested an amazing interpretation of the jardin Ellis ring. And the new leather cylinders offered for the Ramsay routine... also not so PG rated. I won't even hint at some folks interpretation of silk hankerchief business. Needless to say, I spend time around folks with modern sensibilities and little nostalgia. Since I try to replace rather than remove ideas... ** quick bit of nice from Jon follows ** Nostalgia: it makes 'these' things make sense again UBIK: it makes these things become modern. Are we ready for a Connie ConApt magic routine? ** end of presentation suggestion *** I disagree about audience expectations and 'tools of the trade'. Our trade is magical entertainment, not holding onto artifacts of our great grandfather's generation. I also believe some performers can/do present themselves as characters of another time who would use such things as silver dollars and small leather changepurses. These are the folks who wear spats, a hat and use a walking stick. Today is 07/13/03 ... 2003!!! The 'silver dollar' has become a small golden coin and the last of the truly silver coins went out of circulation before many of the forum members were born. I believe it's time to be aware of our environment as a source of props and at least choose which antique props we wish to hold onto.
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
I understand your point Jonathan but I disagee. I think you'd agree that magic is a form of theatre. There are theatrical productions which are contemporary in subject and time and many that bring us back to the past. All can be entertaining and relevant. I think many of the old Thayer and Owen wooden props have a charm to them that can't be matched by what's available today. I think they can enrich the performance provided they are used in the appropriate context.
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JamesinLA Inner circle Los Angeles 3400 Posts |
My miser's dream pail is a coffee can that I spray painted with some of that "hammered" paint, which makes the metal look like it's been beaten with a ball peen hammer. I then epoxied green felt to the inside walls to keep the coins from talking. But not the bottom of course! The bottom is not lined so that it will "talk" and loudly as each coin is dropped.
Jim
Oh, my friend we're older but no wiser, for in our hearts the dreams are still the same...
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I agree about using nice props i"provided they are used in the appropriate context"... and also that many of these antique devices are treasures. The Hofzinser and Germain and DeKolta ... and those automata are just amazing.
I guess the gang is not ready for a game of Connie ConApt. No rush. Now about that coffee can. I see these on the counters of stores used to collect tips and small donations. When presented in this context, the prop is probably just fine. For nicer venues you might want to use a better looking bowl, pot or kettle. I like the idea of taking the routine into the real of collecting tips or donations.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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RiserMagic Veteran user 361 Posts |
I prefer to use a small sized ice bucket about 6" high made from spun stainless steel - for durability, sound, and natural appearance. It is a contemporaty item and in a size that is often seen and used. (Jonathan, you need to get out a little more - ice buckets actually are used). I see no reason for utilizing a gimmicked pail nor versions of Kellar droppers. The actual sleight of hand required is very easy and there is nothing to get rid of at the completion of the routine. All the performer requires is a stack of around 12 coins and a container. After the 12 coins are produced and "dropped", you can merely reach into the bucket, scoop up all of the coins, and let them fall from your hand (retaining a few) to show what has been produced. The production can be continued with the copped coins. I often present the effect without copping the extra coins as merely hitting the heel of the hand against the pail rim when throwing the produced coin into the pail will give the audible illusion of the coin hitting the pail bottom. There is no point in dragging out the effect. Once it has been shown that you can produce coins from the air and elsewhere, the rest had better be short and entertaining. There is no reason for using a gimmicked pail - especially one having Kellar dropper style cylindrical handles. As a magician, it should be satisfying to be able to present the effect without requiring any specially made props. Doesn't anyone take pride in skill any more?
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
One good, practical solution to your quest for the idea coin catching recepticle, and then a good reason not to use it:
The solution: You can find fairly attractive, single walled, spun stainless buckets with a ring that will drop a librarian at ten paces, in a restautant supply store. Ask them for the containers that hold the food in Salad bars. You'll find that they are cheap, and available in different sizes. The ring is incredible. I was once hired to do a standup show in the middle of a shopping mall at Christmas. All I needed to do was produce one coin or an innocent passer-by, and drop it into the bucket. Heads turn, people stop talking, and you're off and running. Why not to do it: It occured to me that the efffect is that you produce as many coins as you want from the air, etc. This idea is best conveyed by creating the impression that you have produced a lot of coins. Since I'm only really producing eight or ten coins, the way to create that impression (and one fairly plausible reason to stop doing it) is to use a much smaller recepticle. I now use a stemmed metal goblet. I stop because "my cup runneth over". People look at the cup full of coins and think "wow, that's a lot of money" They didn't think that when they were expecting me to fill the bucket, and I didn't. What expectations does your recepticle create? Can you fulfill them?
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Larry Barnowsky Inner circle Cooperstown, NY where bats are made from 4770 Posts |
"I see no reason for utilizing a gimmicked pail nor versions of Kellar droppers"
Jim, I respectfully disagree with what you have stated. I have used a gimmicked coin pail (Abbott) in a Misers Dream routine for years. It is part of larger coin routine which includes the Kaps Coin and Glass Routine and other effects. I chose to use the coin pail because of the following advantages and not because I couldn't do the "sleight of hand": 1. The bucket does not need to be laying suspiciously on its side at the beginning with with coins in it nor do you need to steal a stack of coins if you use a different method. 2. With my coin pail you can show it "empty" in the beginning by grabbing it with both hands which hide the Kellar droppers. 3. Your hand holding the bucket is not frozen in that position until you finish dropping the coins. This allows you to easily switch hands, so you can produce the coins from either hand. You still have to do a convincing coin production from say Downs or Classic Palm and a convincing drop vanish so even with the mechanical coin pail the effect is not sleight free. 4. I used to use a Neilsen champagne bottle with a large glass inside. The bottle had the liquid insert. I would remove the bottle from the bucket and steal the glass from it soon after. The effect to the audience was a unexpected appearance of a glass and I used that glass subsequently for the Kaps Coin and Glass Routine. These interrelated effects were the context for using a champagne bucket to begin with. |
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Chris "linkster" Watson Special user England 564 Posts |
Just an idea, has anyone done a misers dream into a bottle, one where the coins don't fit through the neck?
Would look pretty amazing if you ask me!! May have to have a go at that! |
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Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Chris, I don't think anyone's done a "Miser's dream" like that, but I have done a "Coins to Glass" in which the last coin goes into a bottle, which I "accidentally" picked up instead of the glass. This all combines quite nicely with the MD if you use the setting the Count describes.
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Cabrera Special user Seattle 513 Posts |
After all these different ideas, I think that the un gimmicked method would be best for me. I may want to pass the bucket around for tips in my street show.
"The quilt of life is woven with many different threads"
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Christopher Special user 531 Posts |
I sometimes use a coffee cup when working tables. Excellent sound.
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Magicrma Regular user Arizona 101 Posts |
I have done Miser's Dream with a paper bag, a clear flower pot, a water glass, a flutted glass, a champagne bucket and a wooden milking pale.
Each time it was to fit in with a themed show that required that type of prop. I used droppers for all but the flutted glass, some made with safty pins in a vest. For me the effect is one that can be used in a number of different settings. Example:If your in a wild west show use a beer bucket. IMHO. The performer needs to read his audience and work the show around them. The ability to MIME the coin production is the hardest and most important part of the routine. MagicRMA
"The art of Illusion is at least 95% applied psychology" Henning Nelms (Magic & Showmanship)
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Chrystal Inner circle Canada/France 1552 Posts |
Hi,
Like Count Elmsley, I've always used the gimmicked pail, tipping it upside down (on stage) to show specs the bucket is empty and start off with one coin palmed.Have to admit wearing a dress is easier for misdirection :O). If performing parlour I hold the pail lower and show it empty before proceeding. I make a special point at times in the routine of holding the pail daintily (palms up)...umm okay this might not work for you guys. Works well for me, however. I've used this routine for several years too and never had anyone comment about the bucket. All hotels and most resturants continue to use Ice Buckets so it doesn't seem odd using it in my opinion. I quess it all comes down to what you feel most comfortable doing. I have done the ungaffed version before but for myself having been cursed with small hands I like the gaffed version. |
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jnrussell Loyal user Michigan 207 Posts |
JamesinLA, I really like the idea of felt on the inside of the coffee can. I use a coffee can myself, appreciating the lip inside today's coffee cans. I'm going to adapt mine.
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