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DavinSimone New user Central Louisiana 59 Posts |
I am an avid shooter, a combat veteran, and spend a lot of time around guns. I am safe with firearms and use them in a legal manner only. Since shooting and magic are both a very big part of my life I would like to what there is for combining them in a safe but entertaining way. Other than catching a bullet are there any other illusions out there for this?
I have a few ideas for prediction based magic, but was looking for something a little more amazing. Any help would be awesome! Thanks!
Davin L. Simone
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Frank Douglas Special user 555 Posts |
Davin
I am in the process of putting together a "Gambler's Seance" and am thinking of adding a gimmicked pocket Derringer; commonly carried by some of the shadier riverboat gamblers of the period. My concern is for the regulations concerning firearms used in public performance and venue regulations. The gimmick I'm working on for the derringer will not disable it as a working firearm. Anyone have any insight on this? Cheers Frank |
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DavinSimone New user Central Louisiana 59 Posts |
Unfortunately considering the nature of gunlaws and their geographic considerations and the international membership of this board a straight answer will be next to impossible.
Generally speaking it is quite illegal to brandish firearms or convincing look alikes in public unless you are very obviously doing this as an entertainer. In the US at least. You could probably get away with it in Afghanistan.... It would almost always be considered illegal if the firearm was still able to function as designed if the law really wanted to take it to you. Insurance companies get pretty nervous about firearms as well. That is why my question is more along the lines of me being at a firing range, where the law, insurance, safety, and other considerations are much easier to take into account.
Davin L. Simone
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Frank Douglas Special user 555 Posts |
Davin
That is what I thought... I'd hate to ruin a nice antique. I'll have to start looking for a replica that I can disable. As for the firing range... a random shooter, weapon and a target pattern would make for a nice confabulation prediction. Also look into a weapon appearance effect. Cheers Frank |
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DavinSimone New user Central Louisiana 59 Posts |
A metamorphosis type effect could be interesting, but the weapon changing from one rifle to another in a blink of an eye.
Davin L. Simone
Close up/Parlor Magician IBM Ring 268 - The Cajun Conjurers http://www.facebook.com/DavinSimone Above poster suffers from a severe lack of judgment and logic. Assume any points he made are wrong and baseless. |
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
Collector's Workshop's Sidekick uses a blank gun for the final card reveal. There is also Bang Bill and El Duco's Ring in Ring that use a blank gun for the final effect.
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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Frank Douglas Special user 555 Posts |
Davin
The metamorphosis, triggered the thought of an asrah type of of a levitation/disappearance. Another idea is taken from the movie "Wanted".... Curving the bullet around an obstacle to hit center mass on a target there is no way you could hit shooting straight to target. Cheers Frank |
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
I would not disable the firearm. There are several companies that speicalize in movie replica guns. They make everything from derringer to Colt calvary pistols. I would try them.
As for using it, I would not even with a replica. I think amount of grief you would get is not worth it. I think I just heard on the news this morning someplace they had charged a guy with promoting panic with a replica gun. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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Frank Douglas Special user 555 Posts |
Richard
There is no way I'd disable it. I'll find a replica. As for using it... that will all depend on the venue, and their rules and regs. Cheers Frank |
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
I second the Sidekick as well. Having been to both Iraq and Afghanistan, I perform a very heavily military themed show. I am still trying to think of a good story to work it into, but I am sure that within a year or so I will have added this effect into my show. I will most likely try and have a custom one made to fit the theme of the rest of the props used. Good luck Davin!!
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Stanyon Inner circle Landrum, S.C. by way of Chicago 3433 Posts |
If I had to deal with anyone regarding replica guns it would be http://www.westernstageprops.com Mark Allen is very reputable.
Stanyon
aka Steve Taylor "Every move a move!" "If you've enjoyed my performance half as much as I've enjoyed performing for you, then you've enjoyed it twice as much as me!" |
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Frank Douglas Special user 555 Posts |
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On 2010-10-29 11:53, Stanyon wrote: Steve Thanks for the tip off. Perfect!! I don't need it to fire... just move. Cheers Frank |
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
Just thinking out loud...
I'm in the theater biz and now and then work on a show that requires an "operable" firearm (for instance, To Kill a Mockingbird, Of Mice and Men, and Oliver are recent ones). The current regulations, laws, ordinances, and everything else are getting stricter all the time. Although we rent all our firearms form a theatrical weapons supplier, I'm finding that even he is running into supply and rental problems. All his firearms are non-firing replicas or .22 cal starter pistols modified to look like period weapons, but, even so, every rental comes with instructions, warnings, and more paperwork on what to do and not to do. We also have a whole routine about these weapons: training the actors, demonstrating them for the whole cast and crew so they hear the noise, going over safety, restricting who can handle them and where they're stored, and so forth. It's almost a job in itself. All that being said, if I wanted to use a firearm in a magic show, I'd tend to stay away from anything that looks current and pick something that's much older, nice looking, and could have a story of some kind. So-called dueling pistols come to mind: flintlock or percussion-cap muzzle-loaders, maybe in a nice fitted case. I could think of lots of stories about duels, pirates, and whatnot, with these.
That's our departed buddy Burt, aka The Great Burtini, doing his famous Cups and Mice routine
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Frank Douglas Special user 555 Posts |
George
I am working on a "Gambler's Seance" production dealing with riverboat gamblers and wild west gamblers from the late 1800s... the Derringer was often a last ditch effort for the cheat caught red handed, using a holdout, marking, bottom dealing... or just because the other player was a lousy player with bad tells.... The Gambler I'm planning on calling on was known to carry a pocket Derringer. As well as marking cards, etc. He made money fleecing the rubes, yet died broke. He was a big name back then...if you talked poker back then and if his name was dropped most knew it. I plan on using the dummy Derringer as part of my "bait" for the spirit. I'm ordering the one pictured above. Cheers Frank |
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Stanyon Inner circle Landrum, S.C. by way of Chicago 3433 Posts |
'Yer welcome Pardner!
Stanyon
aka Steve Taylor "Every move a move!" "If you've enjoyed my performance half as much as I've enjoyed performing for you, then you've enjoyed it twice as much as me!" |
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DavinSimone New user Central Louisiana 59 Posts |
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All that being said, if I wanted to use a firearm in a magic show, I'd tend to stay away from anything that looks current and pick something that's much older, nice looking, and could have a story of some kind. I have several family firearms that date back to old times, some are well past the century mark. They are all beautiful guns too. Some were made and the stock handcarved by previous generations. However, why not make your magic reach a more modern/younger crowd. Nothing wrong with magic being relevant to the now. I'd say I have a pretty good feel for gun culture and as pretty as an old colt revolver is AR-15s and Glocks are what's talked about. Unless you're wearing old timey costumes, with pocket watches and the like and pulling off a historical character why would you use an old gun like that? There are plenty of beautiful 1911s and other guns out there that are just as beautiful but are relevant to our time. Just a thought on that.
Davin L. Simone
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Frank Simpson Special user SW Montana 883 Posts |
Another consideration are the venue's policies on presenting any kind of a show with firearms - real or simulated.
Last year I was in an opera set in the 1860s that called for me to fire a pistol into the air. no matter what hoops I jumped through, even to the point of having an on-duty police officer hold and load the blanks, we were not allowed to use it. We ended up using a crummy plastic gun and a nearly inaudible offstage sound effect. Really, it was embarrassing. Very often we are at the mercy of people who are far less knowledgeable than we are. They react out of fear and are nearly always inflexible. |
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
I hope you are able to present this in the manner you intend. Frank has pointed out some of the real world problems in working with blank guns today.
Here are a couple of more links....http://www.stage-props-blank-guns.com/ ........http://www.blankgunstore.com/......http://www.replicagunsdirect.com I remember my late friend Howard Flint surprising me one time by suddenly having a double shot derringer in his hand he had just shown empty. It was pretty neat. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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Frank Douglas Special user 555 Posts |
I'm well aware of venue's side of things and will respect their wishes. What I'm working on will still play strong without the Derringer... it just gives me another option for "contact from the beyond". I have other options for props... the Derringer will be used when and if possible... but it's not a deal breaker.
This can be performed either in an intimate setting of 5-6 in a home or a small theater. My IDEAL setting would be on the Mississippi on a Paddlewheeler. Davin: My choice of the Derringer suits the performance... and I will be in period "gambler garb". I do however agree on not limiting yourself to older era firearms. I could as easily rolled this into the roaring 20s and shifted to gansters, or go back to the 1700 and reach out to the founding fathers.... that's the beauty of this. Cheers Frank |
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cairo Elite user 406 Posts |
Penn and Teller close their show with a double bullet catch which makes me think firearm regulations are looser in Nevada than elsewhere. No one has mentioned the russian roulette idea which several in years past, like Maurice Fogel, had success with. Dramatic, but not sure where it can be done nowadays.
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