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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Dear magic friends ,
as I was saying from a few months back my friend Dominik finally is ready for a public annoucment of his new policy , as you can see from his new web site here : http://www.dominikmagic.com/index.php?op......Itemid=2 he removed all the " hot" illusions , now he is looking for any new agreements from the illusions creators and inventors, especially he is trying to find an agreement whit the creators about any Original props asked under rights (not showed on his website) so please if you are a creator interested in this new ( and rare chance )please contact me or Mr. Martorana directly through his web site or by email me, or if you are a buyer this is a good chance to buy Original props in Europe whit the permission from his Creators through Dominik Magic Studio. Actually we have already some illusions whit permissions and warrany from some creators but we hope they can became more and more ..... thanks, Markus. |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
This is just the beginning of a new Era for Mr. Martorana....
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MagicErik Loyal user Sneek, Netherlands 284 Posts |
I don't think builders from other continents will be jumping from joy for doing business with Dominic. And frankly I can't blame them....
There is however one thing that find a mystery by itself. In the world of free market those builders to their best to keep their products being sold from one site only. When you think of that like a businessman it's completely insane. Screaming like crazy about rip offs, but offering nothing in return to change that in an original one. In my opinion it's no wonder those Asians and Europeans buy rippoffs. There is no real alternative. Doing business with a builder in the US means that you can't go to the shop regulary, and when calling you have things like the timezones. Then you have the shipping time and shipping costs. When you need something in a hurry, buying it on the other side of the world is not really an option. And then you have to deal with the sometimes unbelievable shipping costs, that could make your illusion twice as expensive as in the US. How nice would it be if we had a Magic Ventures in Europe. For instance in Rotterdam. Magicians could get a bond with the builders. More likely to buy the real ones instead of the rippoffs.... Ahwell. I made some basic financial calculations and I believe very strongly that such a company here will finance itself. In an illusionary world that might happen but in reality....? Wishing Dominic the best of luck. But the chance that he will get any serious reaction is close to zero. Chance that anyone in Europe could get to make originals is close to zero. Lol. Maybe I think too much as a businessman.. ;-) |
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
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On 2010-10-30 12:32, MagicErik wrote: MagicErik, I don't think that being in a hurry to get something is a good way to go. Being it illusions or anything else in magic (exception made to consumables like confetti, cards etc...) there's need to get familiar with the prop, practice the technic and the presentation to get it perfect so it can be put in a show and presented to an audience. This can sometimes take months, maybe a few years. Eeveryhing needs time. If you don't take the time needed you're might run into a wall and hurt yourself. Anyway, I must agree with in the point that, me to, I think that not a lot of illusion creators will jump in the air being happy that Dominik changed his business way. I think it'll take a lot of time, and I'm speaking of years, until the wounds of being ripped off will be completely healed. Forgiveness doesn't mean we forget. Just my humble opinion. Oliver. |
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Falconer Special user PORTUGAL 576 Posts |
It is very difficult to gain confidence ! . . . .
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JoeC New user Asia 59 Posts |
Hmmmmmmm......
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Dear Erik thank for your replay ,
but fortunately many agreements are already done from a long time, we need just to officially all this new statement, the restrictions and the problems are more in your mind( buyers) than the Creators minds, there are many reasons why is better do it and I think is obviously and right like this. First (like always) you( almost always just the US buyers) don't know how really Dominik build and how is higher his quality you are conditioned from a lots of not real predjudice and just from the pictures from his web site but this was just stategy, for the creator is better now whit this new statements than before, it's an opportunity to be whit and not against , it's also a systems to ceck the European market and stop the Ripp off builders, so don't be scared , if the creators will approves is simply because before they have cecked the quality and they can put their name on, thanks. |
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Falconer Special user PORTUGAL 576 Posts |
Marcus,
When we say something that is not verified by himself we put our claim in question, like you just did: When you said - the props that Dominik build " . . .is higher his quality . . ." you're lying ! - A few years ago I bought the Sub Trunk from Dominik and the first week of work the hinges broke up and crashed the trap, I had to put this number apart, today I still have it in my garage as GARBAGE. Falconer
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Even though I never bought any illusion, I think that I know enough to judge by myself if an illusion looks deceptive enough or not.
In Dominik's case, I never thought that the illusions build by him (rip off or not) where looking deceptive. Sorry Marcus.magic ! Anyway, when do we finally get to know from which creators he got permission. And how we do know that this will be true ? Oliver. |
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Falconer Special user PORTUGAL 576 Posts |
After my disaster above, I swore to work with the best builders in the world, I bought two props from Mr. Wiliiam Kennedy (USA)- the Torch Box and the Hologram, they not only are very deceptives as never failed !
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Dear Falconer few years ago "Like you wrote" was a different time differents builders even differents designers,
you can cleary see the differences from the new Dominik's Politic and the Old , this idea doesn't come in mind just now but from few yers .... even his quality was growing year by year , today ( now are already 3 or 4 years ) are differents persons differents builders and differents designers, I'm sorry for your prop , but why you didn't asked for a new one or why you never told this problem to Dominik? it's hard to belive you didn't told nothing to him........ usually he replace and help evrybody if something is wrong , anyway I will belive you. don't forget also sometimes ( this happen even to some of mine props, you can have problems also whit a Bill Smith's prop or Shank 's prop or Kennedy 's prop "are famous the problems whit his double levitation" etc.etc. for example mine Steinmayer 's Shadow Theathre( From Shank) was done whit tapes yes tape unbelivable and for a really high $$$$ ) evrybody sometime can make a mistake doesn't matter the name but the list of mistakes is really really long........even if the props are from some famous builders... anyway differents time differents persons. Did you asked yourself why he is the First and best European Seller?( and not only in Europe). Anyway if you have any questions or you will see some private pictures let me know, shurely don't judge from the pictures on his website... strategically he don't charge any new props or pictures( some props are his exclusive and also he don't like share some new props or designs), ask him for some pictures and ceck if I'm Lying ... about the quality or if the props are deceptive enough or not like I told before don't ceck on the pictures from his website, simply ask him directly for some new pictures, shurely what I can say you is: many famous professionists from all over in the world ( even someone of them who like officially say bad about Dominik after buy props from him , shurely now you don't want belive me but doesn't matter, it's a funny situation really..... I will share an example here, you can see a simple levitation picture on his website( in my opinion it's an horrible design): http://www.dominikmagic.com/index.php?pa......Itemid=2 but ceck this version sold and compare it whit the one on the site , there is a big difference , I told you it's simply his strategy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOP4evrWFKA what do you think? there are a lot of example like this .... soon as possible he will do a public annoucement of his new politic Statement whit the list of all the illusions approved from the creators and whit all the names , unfortuately all this operation need time, anyway shurely you will know, anyway we hope it can be soon as possible, thanks, Makus. |
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stephane_arnow Loyal user 283 Posts |
On what I heard, photos from dominik sites actually are not the last versions, but very old design. It seems that the work is better now. I have a Fire cage, by the way which come from Dominik (bought in Belgium 10 years ago), and it is a good prop, still in good condition despite the lots of shows. I had a modern Art too, not bad (but I have seen far better) but too fragile wood in my opinion.
For the rest, I hope that the rest of their building is better now , because I saw an origami and a ''multified'' ,and it was not deceptive at all (too large, too big) . I hope that their base tables look better now... they have more experience, so why not give them a chance...But in this case, they need to show us the photos of their ACTUALLY designs... I think that their levitations are very good , on what I heard... In their catalog, there is the best and the worse...we never know... |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Thanks Stephane,
you right about the old Multifid( Slicer illusion ) and Origami , and he know about how was Un Deceptive his old Style evrybody told him about this.. now he have some good designers and many peoples around him , so his actual products are really differents today.. thanks. |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
And shurely he don't build anymore whitout permissions....
so no more Origami.... |
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Thanks for the links Marcus.magic.
I have to agree with you that there is a difference, but to mee this is just added decoration maybe even from Geatano's team. Anyway, a levitation or suspension illusion isn't really a good way to see the improvement in deception of the illusion. It's hard see in a picture if an levitation is deceptive, since the special device is genenrally hidden. In my opinion it would be better to show us picture of a "box type illusion" to see and "judge" the difference and improvements (Paper or Crystal Pyramid, Crystal Casket, Kiosk, Backstage with a magician). I have to add, as to the business marketing for him, it would be better to get the pictures up to date so everybody can see that there's an improvement of the deceptive design. It could convince someone to buy... Oliver. |
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patrickske New user 97 Posts |
Iam thinking the same way as Oliver does. The pictures on the website doesn't convince me. To me that Levitation is just ugly. Wouldnt buy it. If there was a picture added with some decorations things changed.. And why so much exposing pictures of the systems of the levitation?
I would like to see a box type illusion aswell. There are so many out of date pictures on the website. You cant get an idea on how its build now. Patrick
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Falconer Special user PORTUGAL 576 Posts |
Dear Marcus,
I'm not against with you, you never hurt me, both understand that. After my disaster (during the show . . . I have witnesses of this) I remmber that I did a phone call to Dominik and I told him what happened to me and I wanted my money back or repair the prop, but he imposed that must be me that paid the international transportation again, showing enormous contempt! of course, I did not agree I stay with the grabage . . . . . . and I still remmeber when I complained about the international Ata case of the Sub Trunk not being protected with sponge to protect the prop, I had the same treatment: contempt, he told me he does not build Ata cases with absorbing foam! Well . . . IF, like you said " . . .today ( now are already 3 or 4 years ) are differents persons differents builders and differents designers", I want from you a special favour because you not only are a great friend of Mr. Dominik, but like you said he is a different person and this sounds to me like hope, tell him that I I propose: - Or,return my money that I spent - Or,he build a new sub trunk according with " his quality was growing year by year" as it on the site and send me with zero cost. - And, if he want what I have here I can send him to Italy but he have to pay the international transport before. Marcus, can I believe in this new man ? - If he compensate me, I will believe in your statements, like we know very well - the hope is the last to die. Yours, Falconer
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Dear patrickske ,
Dominik 's web site is not the best place where find new pictures whit new design ( Dominik don't like charge on the web new pictures and new designs ) he share them just privately if asked . Dear Oliver that was a simple example , I was simply conferming what I wrote before , his website is not the right parameter to ceck his quality and the beauty of his props when he build them for his buyers, what he build in real life is differents, that specific levitation is really special and work great and also it's really safety " and this is the most important thing "!!!!! that video was just my replay to anyone say " the props are ugly bla bla bla..." was a simple comparison before and after. I think many people say bad things but really they don't know the props from close or better they don't know directly the props , maybe they just talk about the props because they heard somethings from someone or they judge just from the pictures site, thanks evrybody, markus |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Falconer when I say " different persons " I mean differents worker aroud him,
Dominik still Dominik the same who copyed all from a long time , I 'm not saying he will became Jesus tomorrow. today whit differents peoples around him he understand what is better do and how work well. About your prop I will belive you , but this story look really strange to me, especially if we talk about a basic Subtrunk illusion the most easy illusion to build... I will know really what happenI'm really courious plase send me a PM... When I recived one really big huge Illusions ( really fragile and huge ) it come to me whit the broken m....r and whit the m....r's revolving system really bad made , and it was builded from Bill Smith not from Dominik, and belive me no" SPONGE" even there ( I'm joking Falconer but it's real), the pupu ( I will translate to anyone outside Europe pupu= Sh.t) sometimes unfortunately is done from evrybody even from the big names like Smith or Kennedy. |
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Falconer Special user PORTUGAL 576 Posts |
Marcus,
Good advisers and a bad "King", I don`t know if they will can do much to improve human nature! Of course, I don`t believe that in a moment Dominik become a saint or more: to be like Jesus. But I did not ask so much. What I asked and I aske is the minimum ! . . . I have the proof of the "story look really strange" to you: the Sub Trunk built by him, you just can make an analysis on the prop, don`t believe in my words.I have all documents about this business (nightmare). To me it looks or seems relly strange also how nobody spoke ill of the construction of Bill Smith and William Kennedy. Like I said before, I bought from Willie my Torch Box and my Hologram and, sincerely, both are a true piece of ART. But, for curiosity, what was the illusion that you bought from Bill Smith that after you found or received damaged? was the Osmosis ? Do you remember the question that you put me : "but why you didn't asked for a new one or why you never told this problem to" Bill Smith? it's hard to belive you didn't told nothing to him........" Marcus, because you say bad of Mr. William Kennedy if you not bought anything from him? or you have a really illusions from him with problems? he build for many famous magicians and no famous magicans like me with the same respect, with the same ART! I know in the bottom that I will never be compensated for the damage that Dominik made me. Falconer
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