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Did you ever wonder what would happen if you slapped a man who was chewing tobacco?
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How about yelling "I've got a Bomb!" anywhere crowded?
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Can you imagine what the world would be like if there were no hypothetical questions?

IMHO
It would be a beautiful place
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Hypothetical question?

Didn't you just ask one Al?
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My good nephew learned an important lesson about speech. At the airport he said to my sister "Mom, you are the BOMB" and said bomb real loud. He quickly learned what being over 18 means when you say the wrong thing at the airport and got a lecture from police.
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But what if they were trying to stop a rape or get people out of the theater before a biological agent was released - or if they found out someone had a bomb strapped on?

IMHO those homilies are good for children yet support a shepard's mentality as if others were sheep or chattel.

IMHO the whole class of such definitions - like "I can't define it but I know it if I see it" are the same BS you hear from kids who just don't get how to set up an algebra problem - I can understand the process but can't write down the "Let X be" - farce to the knowing and mint jelly to the ...
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I'm glad you already knew the origin of the "fire in a crowded theatre" judgement.

I think I may have posted this speech before here, but it is excellent:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6379618149058958603#

There's also a very nice debate from the Hay literature festival, covers similar material in more details (and with an "opponent")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is71zKEiMdk
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It shouldn't matter to you. You don't believe in the right to free speech. Without a governing body put in place by the people under the authority of the people, there are no rights whatsoever. So yell in the theatre all you want- then try and find a witch doctor to prey the machete from your skull that was placed there by an objector to your yelling.
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I think dreamers are important. Guys like GDW should force us to consider and reconsider our deepest convictions. NOTS has quite a few dreamers--right and left-- and I am very thankful for their contributions too.

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Be careful GDW, the first ones the socialist kill are the anarchist, followed by the Jewish people, then pretty much who ever they please.
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On 2010-11-03 23:47, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
NOTS has quite a few dreamers


Is that some hip Canada thing? "North Of The States"?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2010-11-03 14:51, LobowolfXXX wrote:
. . . the bigger picture being that studios wouldn't want to get bad reputations, because nobody would ever send them scripts, so the ones that want to survive in the industry will never screw anybody, and the ones that screw people over will go out of business.

Prisoner's Dilemma.
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I find it hilarious that one nasty little boy doesn't like the other nasty little boy.
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On 2010-11-04 00:22, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On 2010-11-03 23:47, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
NOTS has quite a few dreamers


Is that some hip Canada thing? "North Of The States"?


Several posters (I think starting with Stoneunhinged) refer to this forum as NOTS. But your version is creative; well done.

John
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On 2010-11-04 07:50, Al Angello wrote:
I find it hilarious that one nasty little boy doesn't like the other nasty little boy.


????

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On 2010-11-04 09:21, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On 2010-11-04 00:22, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On 2010-11-03 23:47, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
NOTS has quite a few dreamers


Is that some hip Canada thing? "North Of The States"?


Several posters (I think starting with Stoneunhinged) refer to this forum as NOTS. But your version is creative; well done.

John


What does it stand for then? Or is it not an acronym?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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North Carolina State is currently broiling with controversy over free speech. The campus has designated a certain pedestrian tunnel as the "Free Expression" tunnel where students may express themselves "freely" with graffiti...so long as no one takes offense...at which point the content is censored and removed. The tunnel has sported untouched crude and angry comments and artwork against the school, the governor, past presidents, Congress, cops, the military - but mention Obama or the LGBT and it becomes censored hate speech.

Student protesters have now barricaded the tunnel and one sophomore stated, "We'll be out here until we can guarantee that we don't have to walk through this tunnel and worry about what's written on the wall." One protesting student complained, "It's free expression, but nobody is walking through, regulating it."

The state of Free Expression at NCSU.

http://www.wral.com/news/education/story/8565346/
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On 2010-11-04 09:53, Skip Way wrote:
North Carolina State is currently broiling with controversy over free speech. The campus has designated a certain pedestrian tunnel as the "Free Expression" tunnel where students may express themselves "freely" with graffiti...so long as no one takes offense...at which point the content is censored and removed. The tunnel has sported untouched crude and angry comments and artwork against the school, the governor, past presidents, Congress, cops, the military - but mention Obama or the LGBT and it becomes censored hate speech.

Student protesters have now barricaded the tunnel and one sophomore stated, "We'll be out here until we can guarantee that we don't have to walk through this tunnel and worry about what's written on the wall." One protesting student complained, "It's free expression, but nobody is walking through, regulating it."

The state of Free Expression at NCSU.

http://www.wral.com/news/education/story/8565346/


Lol, that's quite funny for many reasons.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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On 2010-11-03 22:55, magicfish wrote:
It shouldn't matter to you. You don't believe in the right to free speech. Without a governing body put in place by the people under the authority of the people, there are no rights whatsoever. So yell in the theatre all you want- then try and find a witch doctor to prey the machete from your skull that was placed there by an objector to your yelling.
Rodney


"Rights" are not something granted by the "benevolence" of rulers.. Just because one does not think a government is necessary, does not mean one doesn't "believe" in "rights."
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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On 2010-11-03 22:41, Davit Sicseek wrote:
I'm glad you already knew the origin of the "fire in a crowded theatre" judgement.

I think I may have posted this speech before here, but it is excellent:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6379618149058958603#

There's also a very nice debate from the Hay literature festival, covers similar material in more details (and with an "opponent")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is71zKEiMdk


Actually, the mentioning of the danish cartoons is a great example. There is, today, far more to suggest insulting mohamed and the like can present more of a "clear and present danger" than the anti war pamphlets that got it stared.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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