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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2010-11-07 09:03, Al Angello wrote: The nuns didn't know what they were talking about regarding pens, so why should anyone trust them about how to hold a pencil?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts |
I think it's interesting that a few people have found Al's comment interesting. Didn't you guys learn the proper way to hold a pen? (i'm not saying other ways are necessarily wrong, just not generally considered proper).
I remember we had triangular rubber, ...umm, ...things that went over a pencil for younger kids so that you had to hold the pencil properly.
"Love is the magician who pulls man out of his own hat" - Ben Hecht
"Love says 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing'. Between the two, my life flows." -Nisargadatta Maharaj Seadog=C-Dawg=C.ou.rtn.ey Kol.b |
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts |
MagicSanta,
Ah, I get it now. In handwriting analysis that's known as perfectionism, and probably a very good trait for an engineer to have.
"Love is the magician who pulls man out of his own hat" - Ben Hecht
"Love says 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing'. Between the two, my life flows." -Nisargadatta Maharaj Seadog=C-Dawg=C.ou.rtn.ey Kol.b |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Lobo
After all these years I still fear the nuns, but to be fair to them they were dealing with their 19th century values, and I have yet to see someone under the age of 30 that can hold a pencil properly. We are all used to seeing waitress twist their hands into a grotesque knot in order to write, and poor pennmenship habits have become the norm.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2010-11-08 08:03, Al Angello wrote: If a nun took a ruler to my knuckles when she was 50 and I was 7 just to cure me of poor penmanship, I might have packed up a ruler and paid her a visit when I was 37 and she was 80, to cure her of excessive pride, or whatever other character sins she might have that she thought justified such an instructional philosophy.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Lobo
The 7 year old boys that struck the nuns back we called transfer students. When I was a kid it was believed that a Catholic school education prepared you for college better. I am probibly the last person to defend the Catholic school system, but we must put these facts in a time perspective. When I went to school teachers in general were respected by parents, and their suggestions was followed by the parents. Students in the 1950's had no rights.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
It's starting to sound like we have nuns to blame for cursive . . .
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2010-11-08 11:38, Al Angello wrote: I understand the concept of putting ideas into a time perspective, but I'm not fully on board with it. You could talk about a slave owner in the 1800s and say that we have to put his actions into a time perspective, but the fact is that even in the 1800s (and before), there were people who believed (knew) that slavery was wrong, and were outspoken against it. "That's just the way we did things back then" is generally a pretty poor justification, in my view, at least for adults.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
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On 2010-11-08 03:24, seadog93 wrote: I'd forgotten all about those things! They were like training wheels for pencils. I wonder if they still exist?
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts |
I had a nun who used to say (to the delight of all the other kids) that my papers looked like a chicken had scratched all over them. She even suggested I go to medical school.
Years later, when I got into architecture, I discovered that a lot of designers print (in capitals) all the time, simply because they got used to it from preparing their drawings, and it's faster for them. So I picked it up, and nowadays I print just about all the time. The few times I use longhand, people want to take it to the pharmacy to get it deciphered. The biggest problem I have with not learning to write by hand and depending on a keyboard is that someday that keyboard will not work... and it'll probably happen right in the middle of a deadline or something important that needs to go out right then and there. So what will the guy say? "Sorry, Mr. Customer, I can't complete the job because the computer crashed and I don't know how to write?"
That's our departed buddy Burt, aka The Great Burtini, doing his famous Cups and Mice routine
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2010-11-08 13:38, George Ledo wrote: I doubt there will be an abandoning of print by hand all together. It tends to go hand in hand with learning the letters to begin with. I would imagine it would help with learning to read, the more familiar one is with letters, which hey would become learning to write them, the better they will be able to read.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
As fast as technology progresses, there'll probably be a thread in 20 years, titled 'Kids don't learn how to type. Problem?' By then, they'll have advanced brainwave-reading machines to put out whatever you're thinking!
Michael J.
�Believe then, if you please, that I can do strange things.� --from Shakespeare�s �As You Like It� |
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
Now we can talk about them behind their backs.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Just checked. Cursive is still in the Elementary curriculum in my province. From what I've seen, though, most abandon it as quickly as they can.
John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
I learnt Cursive, but yeah, I abandoned it for non-cursive print if you will rather quickly.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
On the nun thing. My dad went to a vicious school in NYC as a kid when the nuns would just tear you a new one for pretty much anything. To say he grew to hate them would be an understatement because of the daily punishment for being left handed. He said that one of the most confusing days of his life was when he was seven and his favorite cousin, who babysat him, became a nun. So this young lady who he loved so much suddenly was one of the people he hated most in life. He said it bothered him for years but he remained close to her until she died a couple years ago in her 90's. While he has beautiful writing his hand position is very odd looking. The reason? He had to hold his hand to avoid running it through the ink to avoid further abuse.
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
Al, those nuns would have broken their rulers on my knuckles. I'm left handed. When they tried to teach me cursive, they expected me to hold the pencil at exactly the same angle as a right handed person which is to say _backwards_ to me. I refused to do that and hold the pencil laying back against my left hand.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Try being Irish Catholic. They won't LET you be left handed. (Irish Protestants were called "Left Handers" in reference to the hand of the devil and all that.)
Concequently the nuns managed to make me ambidextrous. Quite nice of them I thought.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Danny is right. My dad had to be right handed at school and got in trouble for bad hand writing and left elsewhere where his writing was great. His hand position is kind of twisting his hand around so the angle of the pen is the same as a right handed person. In the 30's those nuns would whip you if you did it wrong.
I'm all messed up because my sister and I are right handed and everyone else in the family left so I was taught left handed which made things awkward. I do most sleight of hand left handed, through right, shoot pool left, bowl right.... |
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stanalger Special user St. Louis, MO 998 Posts |
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On 2010-11-07 21:53, seadog93 wrote: The cursive capital X always reminded me of the number 96. No straight line: Palmer cursive (Above sample also shows both lowercase r's and both lowercase t's.) |
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