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Owen Mc Ginty
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After watching the following video by Jon Chase and have a question or two regarding it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCAoNWbn9yE

1) Had the subject been hypnotised prior to making this recording? (speculation not required, Mr. Chase´s answer is the one I´m interested in.

2) Based on your experience, what percentage of people (willing to be hypnotised) should respond to this type of suggestion? Answers to this one welcome from anyone.
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The answer to the first question is actually no (no speculation required). He is one of life's natural somnambulists. I'm sure when Jon gets here he'll happily confirm that.

The second question is a good one, but it could be better. If it was to be rephrased it might be: "What percentage of people (willing to be hypnotised) will respond to 'any form' of suggestion, with regards to performing phenomena".
Then when you have an answer to that(and I'd say, just for the hell of it, 40%), then nearly 100% of those that WILL, all of them should go into an arm lock.
I do hope this all makes sense.
Although no doubt several will argue about the 40% mark. I might even argue against that myself. LOL!
If, and I'm sure the street guys will confirm this, you buid up a roll of people, it's possible on the night to have a 100% success rate. It's almost like a virus where they hypnotise each other, seriously!!!
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Thanks for the answer Bobser, I´m interested in people´s experience, any answer wether it be 0% to 99% or 100% is something I can compare my experience to in order to assess how I´m doing and where I might be able to improve.

I´m going to try this one at the weekend on as many subjects as I can get to volunteer. I´ve already failed trying the arm lock phenomena with one subject, even though I did manage to get other positive responses from her - managed to get an arm raise and (what seemed to be) laughter at my command.
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I agree with Bobser, in part, in answer to your first question. He was not in hypnosis prior to the video. However, I would guess that he had been hypnotized previously and Jon saw that this man was very open to accepting suggestions. I wouldn't use the term "natural somnambulist," however. Rather, he simply followed the suggestion. This sets up a pattern in him (sometimes called a "Yes set")..

Can you hold out your arm? Yes.
Can you make it stiff? Yes
Can you make it unbendable? Yes.
Now sleep! Yes.

I can't give you a percentage answer to your second question because there are too many variables, ranging from the expertise of the hypnotist in his/her pretalk and ability to develop rapport, the number of people being worked with, and the experiences of the people being worked with immediately prior to the suggestions.

You said you tried this with one person. That's going to be different than giving suggestions to a group. It can depend upon what the person you work with thinks of you.

Owen, I would respectfully suggest that you get some in-person training or additional in-person training. Tell the trainer what you want to learn. In an actual class you'll have the opportunity to work with several people.
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On 2010-11-10 12:22, dmkraig wrote:

I can't give you a percentage answer to your second question because there are too many variables, ranging from the expertise of the hypnotist in his/her pretalk and ability to develop rapport, the number of people being worked with, and the experiences of the people being worked with immediately prior to the suggestions.


I think this was actually a far better answer than mine!

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Owen, I would respectfully suggest that you get some in-person training or additional in-person training. Tell the trainer what you want to learn. In an actual class you'll have the opportunity to work with several people.


Probably the best advice you're going to get, truly.
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I´m currently training allbeit sporadically, but thankyou for the advice gents.

I plan on doing some "group work" this weekend - my trainer isn´t available at weekends as he travels and does shows.

I´m normally tied up during the week, so it makes it hard to combine pupil+trainer+ready supply of subjects = best probability of learning and progressing.

I´ll build up to the arm lock though, wont go for this straight away just yet!
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Actually, as phenomena goes, I believe it's one of the very first you can safely attempt. For example I believe that an arm lock (or as I prefer to call it: 'stiff arm') is far more favourable then getting them to lose the number 3.
If anything:
1) stuck hand
2) stiff arm
3) trouble naming something
4) total amnesia of a name or number

Good luck
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Its easy to get arm catalepsy I have a wy to do it while doing a palm reading. And it involves nothing more than touch no suggestions. Ill have to show you it.
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Yeah we need to lunch again soon. The guys in here would never believe just how cuddly you are in person.
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Of course I'm pretty persuasive in person...
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I want to learn to do this hobby but am not sure how to even get started any suggestions? please help me out thanks I am already a magician just want to change things up a bit
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If your just getting started then Anthony Jacquin and Jonathan Chase both have good books which are clear and straight forward to understand. You can find reviews about their products on here.
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On 2010-11-12 22:08, aaronharp88 wrote:
I want to learn to do this hobby but am not sure how to even get started any suggestions? please help me out thanks I am already a magician just want to change things up a bit


1) Begin by attending an in-person course in hypnosis. IMO that's the best way to learn how to hypnotize others. Also, you'll have a trained professional watching you and making sure you're doing it right and you'll have a group of people you can practice with. Even an inexpensive "weekend wonder" hypnotherapy training will work.

2) Read all the books you can. These will help expand your understandings and capabilities once you've learned the basics.

3) If your goal is stage hypnosis, go to all of the stage shows you can in order to see what others are doing.

Follow these 3 steps and you can be ready to do a real performance in a few months.
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