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I'm working on a mind reading show and have my set put together; I'm currently working on my script and there's one part that keeps bugging me.

After my introduction and some Psychological forces based on Bob Cassidy's idea of projecting images to the audience I move into his "A Name and Place" effect. (Essentially I'm using his framework for the first two effects of my show.)

There is a part in the effect when you get a billet and burn it. Unfortunately the place I'll be performing, (in a school auditorium) frowns on flames and smoke and such. So I thought of bringing a shredder on stage and shredding the billet.

But it doesn't make much sense to have a shredder on stage just to shred this one billet. Tearing it up doesn't make much sense, I'm worried someone will think I'm trying to look at it in the act of tearing it and if I hand it to someone to tear it up I'm afraid they'll get a glimpse of the billet I handed them.

However, I do like the idea of destroying the billet so I'm stuck arguing with myself on whether it needs destroyed or just "thrown out".

So that's my dilema, seems minor but I am really working hard to put together a good show that flows; trying to pay attention to every detail.

Any input thoughts and ideas will be appreciated.
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Edible paper ( rice paper ) and use the line "all good spys dispose of thier notes this way .Im no spy but I do believe in recycling ....ahem".
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Amira .. I have the same concern .. could you PM me your solution .. thanks
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On 2010-11-10 12:39, tonyf wrote:
Amira .. I have the same concern .. could you PM me your solution .. thanks


What concern is that?
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A hand held shredder battery operated can be used, and maybe add some humour if that's the way you want to go.
I use one to destroy envelopes in a bank night routine.


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On 2010-11-10 12:39, tonyf wrote:
Amira .. I have the same concern .. could you PM me your solution .. thanks


What concern is that?


He's beginner and never heard of Cassidy Smile
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Mark: Great idea... I like it

If this post needs to be moved than please move it but let me clarify; I am not looking for "secrets" I'm looking for ideas on how to handle the destruction (or not) of a billet that was just handed to me.

I have been a magician for over two decades and am trying to take my entertainment to the next level by putting together a good quality show.

It has taken me about two years to research and assemble my "effect list" and now am in the stage of writing my script. I, for some reason keep getting hung up on the destruction of the billet. As I said before probably not a huge deal, but for me it's one of the details I'm not comfortable with yet.

So I'm not sure why I've been told this post needs moved and there is "concern" for my question; or why I need to learn some new techniques.

I don't think I've given away any methods nor that any methods need given away for this discussion.

Hope this clears up my question and still hope to hear some of your ideas...
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Switchcraft. A LOT of crazy ideas in billets .
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Thank you Amira, I will look into Switchcraft
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Steve,

I've thought of that but the handheld shredders I've seen look almost too "propish"

Is that a word? if not it should be...
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The problem of burning the billet has been overblown in this and another similar thread. I never ask beforehand what I can and cannot do - I just do it and have never had a problem.

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Listen to Bob! If you don't ask permission, they can't tell you "no" and if one tiny billet is all you're going to burn it will be over long before anyone can stop you. If they tell you after the show that you shouldn't have done it then apologize with an appropriate air of contrition.

One of the routines in my magic show (not my mindreading show) involves burning two envelopes which makes enough smoke to possibly set off a smoke alarm so I always get permission if I'm going to include that routine in the show. A tiny billet however is not going to make enough smoke to set off a smoke alarm so you should have nothing to worry about.
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Bob, thanks for commenting...

Maybe I am thinking too much; The logic and steps involved with burning the billet work perfectly and I think I've found myself in a case of trying to re-invent the wheel...or as a friend of mine said "if it aint broke, fix it till it is".

Well thanks to Bob's routining, it definitely isn't broke.

With that I'll just go for it and see how it plays out.

The dates for the show haven't been set but we're looking at sometime either late December or early January. After the show I'll let you all know how it works.
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Colin McCloud presented his version of Cassidy's brilliant Name and Place (wherein Colin tears up the billet) at last month's Mindvention and included the routine in his lecture notes (reportedly with the good Dr. Bob's permission before printing it up). Colin put his own spin on the effect. I think you will get a lot out of thinking about how you can make the routine your own and destroying or switching the billet however it appears logical (eating it is rather arresting and might not fit every persona or presentation). However, that being said, I agree with Bob's sage advice: Just go ahead and burn it and worry about forgiveness later.
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In this case it's not a question of not asking what you can or can't do.You already know the policy of the venue regarding the use of fire.

So ask yourself, is knowingly ignoring and/or violating the fire regulations and/or guidelines of the venue you've been booked to perform in really a good idea?
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Now I've never performed the routine, but I wouldn't have any hesitation burning a little bitty billet on stage. In fact, I feel it adds a real nice visual image that is much stronger than tearing it up.

So for the sake of our art, take a risk, and do it !
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Or, as an alternative the advice given above from 'magic manic' and others, you could show a bit of respect to the people that have booked you and adhere to the conditions under which you have been hired.
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Neal-

I think you may be missing my point. Except when working the Parlour at the Magic Castle, I have NEVER had a booker (even on repeat bookings) tell me that I could not use fire at a performance. If they did, I simply wouldn't do the routine.

All I have been saying is that I never ask for permission to do anything - I just do it.

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Bob,

I think it would help to clarify then that in your first post you were making a general point and not giving advice regarding the specific situation that the original poster was asking about.

This is especially pertinent given that the two positions that you express... :

"just do it", as a general position to accompany your policy of 'don't ask'.... and...

"I simply wouldn't do the routine", as applied to the position that pertains to the specifics of this thread... are quite different.

Hopefully this will clear up any confusion.

Cheers Neal.
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