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I'm not sure...

Bob Cassidy’s 4th Dimensional Telepathy routine
Confabulation

Are these 2 routines too similar to perform together in an act?
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4th dimension telepathy is not a prediction.
Confabulation is.
So, it's two different effect.
There are not at all similar.
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Yes, the routines are completely different; one is mind reading, confabulation is a prediction effect. There wouldn't be any problem to perform them in the same set. I've done it. Jan
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I'm not sure either.

I see more the Cassidy routine being an example of Telepathy/direct thought reading and a "Confabulation" as more of a prediction effect (which, for posterity's sake, Cassidy claims he stays away from these types of effects in his books.)

Just my quick two cents but that's an interesting question!


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Haha, those other guys nailed it on the head. My internet cut out and I got to post it 10 minutes late.

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On 2010-11-10 13:10, Frank Starsini wrote:
I'm not sure...

Bob Cassidy’s 4th dimensional telepathy routine
Confabultation

Are these 2 routines too similar to perform together in an act?


Just have to ask, but why are you not sure? Whether you're building your act as a magician or a mentalist, isn't understanding what the effect is one of the basics?

Now I know you're asking so you do understand, but wouldn't reading the description of the effect be enough to know what the effect is? And if you've started working with the routines, you certainly should understand the effects.

Frank, I don't mean to sound rude about this, but as a mentalist it is frustrating to see more and more magicians try to perform mentalism, but are clueless as to what they're really doing.
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I agree that one is a prediction and the other telepathy/clairvoyance, so they are quite different. You can build a totally different presentation for each that would set them apart completely in the spectator's minds. Confabulation can be presented in an almost unlimted number of ways, car make & model, holiday postcards etc. Build up the presentations enough and the effect that they have in the minds of the audience will be radically different even though the methods you are using might be similar.
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On 2010-11-10 14:59, Mentalist Sam wrote:
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On 2010-11-10 13:10, Frank Starsini wrote:
I'm not sure...

Bob Cassidy’s 4th dimensional telepathy routine
Confabultation

Are these 2 routines too similar to perform together in an act?


Just have to ask, but why are you not sure? Whether you're building your act as a magician or a mentalist, isn't understanding what the effect is one of the basics?

Now I know you're asking so you do understand, but wouldn't reading the description of the effect be enough to know what the effect is? And if you've started working with the routines, you certainly should understand the effects.

Frank, I don't mean to sound rude about this, but as a mentalist it is frustrating to see more and more magicians try to perform mentalism, but are clueless as to what they're really doing.


I know exactly what the 2 effects are and what is different about them. I already do a mentalism act, albeit far less often. I do a confab routine in my act laready. My question should have been worded differently. I'm wondering from a spectator's perspective if they might think the 2 effects were "the same but different".
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I know exactly what the 2 effects are and what is different about them. I already do a mentalism act, albeit far less often. I do a confab routine in my act laready. My question should have been worded differently. I'm wondering from a spectator's perspective if they might think the 2 effects were "the same but different".


No. If you frame your presentation in a simple and credible way they will understand the difference.

Telepathy happens in the moment and is a process. You don't receive a flash of illumination and just wrote the thought name ( that is bad mentalism).

You need to create a telepathy scenario in which not only the "thought name" is the goal, but the experiences and/or side effects ( as Mr. Cassidy label that idea) are convincers and performance´s strengtheners.


Predictions happen already, and you are just checking your precognitive sensations.


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Good points. Thanks!

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On 2010-11-10 14:59, Mentalist Sam wrote:
Frank, I don't mean to sound rude about this, but as a mentalist it is frustrating to see more and more magicians try to perform mentalism, but are clueless as to what they're really doing.


I agree. I see more and more mentalists try to do magic and seem completely clueless as to what they are really doing as well.


I would assume, however, that the thoughtful performer will do well at either one.
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Frank,

I think from an audience member's perspective, the two might have the same feel. The minimal, ordinary props used in Fourth Dimensional Telepathy, make for an amazing, astonishing and lasting effect. When I speak with people after my shows, I try to get a sense of what they liked and what they did not like so much. I generally get this reaction, "I liked it all, but the one where you asked the name of a friend and a pet was really good."

As for those magicians who do mentalism and don't know why, I know exactly why I do what I do. I provide entertainment in the world of awe, mystery and wonder, which includes magic and mentalism. I perform what I do for maximum impact and entertainment.

I do not feel compelled to follow these so-called rules of others as to what I can perform and what I cannot. I do not advertise my services, but I get a good number of calls. Often when people see me in public, they ask about my magic. They hire me, and they recommend me to others.

My character is not dark and brooding, so my mix of magic and mentalism works. Perhaps if I wore black and adorned a widow's peak, then perhaps straight mentalism would be the way to go.

At any rate, I love 4DT, and it is my "blockbuster" effect before my closing.

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Old topic !
You don't need to wear black clothes and to have a dark character to perform mentalism.
In the same way you don't need to wear a bright yellow,blue,red suits with star on it, neither to laugh like a hyena and look yourself surprise to each effet you do when you perform magic.
Now, when you mix-up magic and mentalism, yes, the mentalism is less strong, it's a fact.
Now if you add some mental magic to you magic set, you magic set become stronger.
But it's still magic.
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Now, when you mix-up magic and mentalism, yes, the mentalism is less strong, it's a fact.

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I am not looking for strong, I am looking for entertaining. I don't need anyone believing I have special powers. I want them to have fun and be amazed.

Bobby

p.s. What size is the suit?
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On 2010-11-11 11:26, Frank Starsini wrote:
For Sale: bright yellow, blue and red suit with stars on it.
Does it come with instructions on the a Hyena laugh?LOL

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Hey Frank, I don't do 4DT or Confabulation, but what I have noticed in creating my set is that it works best (at least for me) is if you thread together your presentation so that they are consistent with your "power"/theme. I find, at least in my experience, disparity from one audience member to the next as far as picking a "favorite". So I don't worry about it, I do what I do, all strong (I do look for "strong"), solid and entertaining pieces but all consistent with Mind Reading (I stopped doing PK and Precognition mixed in unless I absolutely, absolutely must add time) each effect building in perceived difficulty with the final effect being the pinnacle effect. That's been successful in my limited experience as a convert to Mentalism.
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This was a joke thread....right!
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On 2010-11-13 19:50, leondo wrote:
This was a joke thread....right!
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At least I hope so ... Smile Jan
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