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ScottieKrause
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Hello and hi all you buskers and sidewalk shufflers out there!

I was watching a youtube video of a busker. His routine was a pretty good standard cup and balls with a few twist. At about the middle of his routine he pulls off his jacket and says "now to show there is nothing up my sleeve...wait I think there is", and he pulls out a glass of water proceeding to take a drink from it. It gets good reviews etc. I saw how it was done once I watched the video a second time it was obvious, but I'm pretty sure were not aloud to discuss methods...but it left some angles to be desired lol

But anyhow I digress. My query is have any of you tried this and had much success? Is it something you would add to a routine for a mid joke?
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Yeah guys, how many of you have stolen Jamie's material after watching his Vancouver Olympiad videos twice? /snark

Scottie, with just 4 posts you are obviously very new here, and maybe to busking as well. I don't really know. But I do know that you have just demonstrated why many of the serious pros here (myself included) never post our routines.
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Yes you have caught me I am fairly new to both. I ment no harm nor did I mean to use it I was just more curious as to how many people have tried it. More so that I see it as a routine for stage work which is why I find it even more interesting (in a good way). I Honestly have no plans to incorporate it it my own routine it was a mere curiosity, tho I see how it can be taken in a negative light. nor was I in any way asking for methods though the way I said it does seem to put off on second light. in all honesty I liked it and I was just curious who else has tried to do something as such. I suppose it was a momentary lapse in judgment .

I do apologize for any harm done.

Scottie K.
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I think the water glass from the sleeve is an effect that can work really well for a few people and look affected and dumb for a lot of folks. I like how it worked with Jamie's routine, but I don't know if I could ever fit it into something I do without it looking out of place. A lot of effects are like that, which is why everyone should work to have a personal act, not to copy another guy.

Not sure if that answers Scottie's question, but that's my take.

If you slog through some of the old posts here at the Café, you will find a lot of discussion about developing your character. For some people that is a character completely different from who they normally are. For some, their performing persona is identical to who they are the rest of the time. Getting an act together that suits your performing style is more than just the patter. Selection and routining of effects is a huge part of it. Some folks can make silks elegant and compelling, but others make them boring and stupid. This doesn't mean the second group isn't totally amazing with a deck of cards, though! Find what you can perform, look at books for ideas of what can be added or modified, and build from there.

Any pro has probably gone through a huge lot of material, weeding, discarding, polishing in order to get an act he is happy with, that suits his character, that is unique to him, and that he won't get sick of performing any time soon.

If you are still new, here's some basic advice that applies to any branch of solo performance art (I am also a musician and this would apply to that skill set, or to mime, or puppets, or even magic). Take a video of a performance as you would give it to an audience. No do-overs, no retakes. Watch that video. Take notes of when you get bored watching it. Take notes (yes, on paper) about when your patter falters or sounds wrong. Take another video when you have corrected these issues (but save the first). Rinse, lather, repeat. The goal is to create a show that is interesting and compelling enough that you will actually have fun watching it even though you know what's going to happen.

I really appreciate some of what Jamie said in Part 2 of his review of his own efforts. He had started with one effect planned (vanishing hanky) and found that it didn't work for him. He had to come up with a different way to start his act. He's a professional with loads of experience in a different setting, but still realized he selected the wrong trick to start his act. His honesty about that is an education in only one sentence or so.

When you take your show in front of people, you are still going to find that you have a huge amount to learn. Huge. But if you have done the video self-critique and have been honest with yourself, you will at least have done something to prepare your material. The time to rehearse and polish the core material is before you have an audience.

If this is what you were looking for, Scottie, I hope it helps.

-Patrick
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Barrie Richardson created a trick where you remove your jacket and produce a glass of liquid from the sleeve. This trick is taught in one of the new Richardson dvds and also in the Joshua Jay complete course in magic book.
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Exactly Patrick and thanks for he great advice! Its not Something I would pull off in my routine. I start off With some contact juggling and that has me with my jacket off at first. Im def still building and have a ways to go before I think ill be completely comfortable Going into public and not worrying about messing up.

Ty for the video advice I know iv found myself doing that recently with my coin routines especially, and finding some of the angles I need to fix. Every day is a new lesson =p

thnx leeman iv seen some of Barrie Richardson mentalism and enjoyed it. Maybe ill check his stuff out when iv finished shifting the mountains of ref material iv collected xD
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David Ginn had a bit where he pulled a small Coke bottle out of his sleeve while taking off his jacket.
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Cellini did a variation. It in his book "Dreamers highway".
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Ammar has this bit in a set of his lecture notes from back in 2005 or 2006...
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I believe the Original Idea came from Patrick Page, who is sadly no longer with us.

David Penn, with Mr Page's permission teaches a different approach for producing the glass from a spectator's sleeve. Very nice.

I would recommend going to the source if you want to learn it. It may be older than even Mr Page but I haven't come across the particular handling any earlier.

Regards, Matt.

P.S. Water productions are great. I would consider using it on the street but it depends on the type of performance you want to do. Wet pants on the street are not funny at this time of year.

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I'm working from (a failing) memory here, but didn't Dick Williams also include this in either his video or the book, Lights, Camera, Magic? Guess I could go grab my copy and peruse it again.

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Jamie D Grant credits Barrie Richardson with his particular version, in the thread on his busking experiment.

I haven't read the Williams book. Is it worth a read?

The important issue here is to be inspired by others, but don't imitate them unless you JUST want to make money. In which case swallow a balloon, finish on the cups and balls and shout "run Forest run", if a jogger runs through your circle.
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