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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On 2010-09-11 13:07, Harry Lorayne wrote: God only knows Mr. Lorayne But, it was rather unsettling seeing your name among the dearly departed. Besides, you are not allowed to go ANYWHERE until I actually get to shake your hand!! Namaste, Vlad |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Perhaps he only meant (but didn't/doesn't know how to say it) that I would go down in history! HL.
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
Yes, probably.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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MagicMan1957 Inner circle 1445 Posts |
Hello Mr. Lorayne,.......
I'm a big fan of your work. I was wondering, do you still create new card magic? Also, what do you think of the current card effect creators like John Guastaferro, John Bannon, Caleb Wiles, Peter Duffie, the Theory11 card guys, and ALL the card magic coming out of the UK? Seems like there is more new card magic (all Magic for that matter) coming out now then I've ever seen. So we have the quantity but what do you think about the quality? |
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Dr. Van Van Mojo Special user 570 Posts |
Gee, I wonder what happened to the "Harry Lorayne" thread? I did get a chance to read it but didn't have time to reply at the time. Now it's locked and has been severely edited and Mr. Lorayne's crass, disparaging remarks about me and others have been removed. Good for him. I guess I won't bother responding to things that aren't there anymore.
About the comment to me that is still there: It's interesting Mr. Lorayne that you find someone not wanting to purchase your work any longer because of your boorish behavior a good thing. It isn't my loss, Harry. Maybe out of the 2500+ views that thread had before it was edited nobody else felt the same way I did, but I doubt it. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Milian: I wish they had not locked/edited that thread. I think all should be able to read some of the trolls that find their way into some decent threads. But, why are you complaining? YOUR crass, disparaging, uncalled for, remark remains. Let's be sure all can see it - I'll copy/paste it below. In the meantime, let me also repeat my response to it - GOOD. YOUR LOSS.
Your lovely post: "I have a couple of Harry's books and videos. After seeing the way he conducts himself on a public forum, I doubt that I will purchase any more."
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Just saw the second paragraph of your post above. You make it seem as if the powers that be left my response to your crass, disparaging, uncalled for, post but removed YOUR crass, disparaging, uncalled for, post. That, of course, is not so. Expected "big lie" or "yellow journalism" kind of thing. Nice try. Now, your crass, disparaging, uncalled for, post is there for all to see, as is my response to it. I'm really so terribly sorry that you don't like my response. I know that you'd rather I just "lay back" and enjoy crass, disparaging, uncalled for, posts like yours.(As it happens, all I responded with is: "GOOD, YOUR LOSS"). Sorry, buddy, not the nature of this beast. You are entitled to your opinions and your posts, but SO AM I.
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
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On 2010-09-12 10:21, Harry Lorayne wrote: Again, Harry, I agree with you 1000%. The fact that that thread was cut in half and tidied up is an indictment against the Magic Café. The record should stand, and the intelligent reader should be able to make their mind up about who is and who isn't interested in open discussion, and who is bullying or stifling whom. Shame on the moderators. They showed a real lack of judgment and intelligence this time about the historical record.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
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On 2010-09-12 10:38, Harry Lorayne wrote: To be fair, Harry, they also deleted a lot of your more extreme and irrational commentary. Trust me, I know how you feel about being censored. It's very poor form and it should be discouraged.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
"Extreme and irrational" is YOUR opinion. Not the opinion of most others; certainly not mine. But, you are entitled to your opinion, AS AM I to mine. Other than that, I agree with you 1000%.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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ASW Inner circle 1879 Posts |
And again, we are in agreement.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"
A magician on the Genii Forum "I would respect VIPs if they respect history." Hideo Kato |
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AngeloR Elite user 441 Posts |
My favorite authors:
Nick Trost Harry Lorayne John Bannon Paul Curry Regards, Angelo |
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crestfallenLyric Veteran user 307 Posts |
John Bannon!!!
And I really like Tyler Wilson's new book. Such a funny guy, with some cool material. Of course I also like Hugard and his classic books.
"It is better for a man to honor his profession, than to be honored by it." - Robert-Houdin
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
Mr. Loryane got the last thread locked because of his name calling. I will bet that he gets this thread locked.
Everyone has there opinions Mr. Loryane. So let them express them without your bulling. thank you edh
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mwolfire New user Mark Wolfire 91 Posts |
Harry
MagicMan1957 asked a few interesting questions. I would be interested in your reply if you care to comment. Mark |
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Simon Lovell V.I.P. 506 Posts |
Harry,
Just to cheer you up (like you need it!) here's a vote of confidence and friendship for you from your ever aging old buddy ... me! At least Harry, like myself, posts his remarks, good or bad ... liked or not, under his own name rather than hiding behind what I believe is called a 'nic' in the groggy, foggy, mud-filled, everybody-can-have-an-opinion-whether-they-have-earned-the-right-to-one-or-not world of the internet. No point in hacking or attacking at me by the way. I find these places very easy to ignore and feel no pain from any posts though I do feel the need to sometimes at least set records as straight as they ever could be on a web site. At best the most that can be hoped for is that both sides (however inane either is) of an discussion are heard. Actually I feel sad for many of the posters most of the time. So much time typing their messages and almost boasting of how many thousands they have rather than getting out of their seats and actually doing stuff! I'm not saying that the web, or indeed these boards, are always a bad thing. What I am saying is that they carry much less importance than so many think they do. I'll never forget a young man coming up to me at a convention saying, "Oh I'm *****, you must have heard of me because I have X thousand posts on the magic message boards." I really had to try to fight hard not to collapse laughing and settled for excusing myself and leaving as swiftly as I could. Real life is real ... something the web will never be until the days of the Lawnmower Man are here. Harry has done so much for magic that he deserves and has earned respect. He's also a great friend and a wonderful person. Of course that's just my opinion but I actually know the man in real life as against just hearing about him. Next time you say you have X thousand friends on facebook or whatever ask yourself how many of them you have actually met and conversed with in real life. Then maybe check the definition of friendship in a dictionary! I have a few real friends and am more than happy with that. The chances of me joining facebook or some other site are about as likely as an aardvark writing a prize winning book. More power to you Harry, let's get together for lunch (at a real table with real food and real chat) again soon! Simon |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Mark/MagicMan: Yes; I still create new card magic. If and when I ever get The Classic Collection, Vol. 3 off my mind, there will be a book of all new stuff. It will be a while. Now, I'm very careful about answering questions like yours - about the quality of new stuff. I can only say there is some great stuff, and some stuff not so great. There's no way I would mention names - can't. If I mention one, the others will be mad at me. I certainly would never say which I think is "not good" stuff. So, you'll have to forgive me. I don't mind answering any other kind of questions. Well, except perhaps - what I think about the idiotic posts of people like ehd and asw. No, I think I wouldn't answer that question either - that'd really get the thread deleted!! Simon: Thanks for trying; you and I both know that there's no way to "eliminate" that kind of vicious jealousy. Hope to see you soon. Best - HARRY L.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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crestfallenLyric Veteran user 307 Posts |
Mr. Simon Lovell!! I saw a segment from the show White Collar with you in it! I didn't know you helped out with that show!
"It is better for a man to honor his profession, than to be honored by it." - Robert-Houdin
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Simon Lovell V.I.P. 506 Posts |
Crestfallen,
I am the technical consultant on the show and also help out with some of the script writing. I guess my side job with the show could be described as 'occasional actor' My contract is for three seasons at the moment ... a fun job with a great crowd of folks that I enjoy greatly. All the best, Simon |
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Dr. Van Van Mojo Special user 570 Posts |
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On 2010-09-12 10:21, Harry Lorayne wrote: Mr. Lorayne, While some of your posts (particularly the ones that were deleted) most definitely fall under the definitions of crass and disparaging, I hardly think my post you quoted does. I simply stated my thought, making you aware that your conduct has lost you a customer (not that you seem to care). I've seen at least a couple posts by others that feel the same way. Imagine how many that don't post feel that way. A quick search finds a few threads where you treat people as if they are beneath you, and there are thousands of people viewing. Just maybe that has caused you to lose more customers than you realize. As far as all being able to "read some of the trolls", they should be able to read everything and see both sides, including your insults and name-calling. That seems to be how you reply when someone has anything even slightly negative whatsoever to say about your work. I know, I know, in the many years you published Apocalypse you never said anything bad about anything. Just because that's how you were doesn't mean nobody else can have an opinion and state it, especially when others ask for it. You certainly don't have a problem these days stating your opinions of others. What was it you called me...oh yes, a "know-nothing" (your words, even though they have been conveniently deleted). I find it simply amazing that you don't know me or anything about me and you can state that opinion (although it's not really an opinion so much as childish name-calling). At least others stating their opinions have read or watched your material and have a basis for their opinion. You somehow came to the conclusion that I am a "know-nothing" from ONE post of mine pointing out your rudeness, where I stated my opinion based on your actions here at the Café. Quote:
On 2010-09-12 10:38, Harry Lorayne wrote: Not sure why you think I made it seem that way, that certainly wasn't my intent. I was well aware that anybody that wanted to could go read my post and your (edited) reply. No "big lie" or "yellow journalism" on my part. And yes, there was more to your reply than "Good, your loss". You and I and anyone else that read it before it was edited knows that. You also felt the need to mention me in at least one other post among those where you were ranting and calling someone "dingleberry" and telling someone to "put a sock in it" even though I hadn't even replied. I would think that someone who would rightly deserve respect in the magic community would be above name-calling and acting as if others are beneath you just because they aren't being sycophantic towards you. It is possible to have a civil discussion even if you disagree with someone without being hateful and rude. Good day, Harry. George |
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