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Greetings All,
I love all the clever effects in Colin's "Opening Minds" DVD set and always wanted to do something where I draw a picture to more-or-less match a picture drawn by a spectator. His close-up version of "Bolder Business" is really spot on...but I have an issue with only one part.

After the spectator draws his/her picture on a business card, it is put picture-side down in the stack of other business cards the mentalist is holding. This is a necessary step. In a "normal" situation, it would seem more logical for the spectator to simply leave the card he/she drew on, on the table.

Can any of you give a motivation or justification that can be said to the spectator to give a reason for putting the card in the stack the mentalist is holding?

Many thanks!
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I would like to say if you don't find yourself an explanation don't do it, it's surely because it's not yet for you.
Normally you don't need to much thinking to find a solution, normally.
But we're here to help the fellow magician.
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Anyone with a better response than parmenion?

Bob L.
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Why don't you start by sharing what you have come up with so far? No use reinventing the wheel is there?
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Never been a problem for me, I kinda don't think about it... my motivation is "I'm helping make this fairer"... I put the stack down right away too, so it never arouses suspicion.

...It's an absolute mindset though!

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Thanks, Colin. I appreciate your response.
In response to bdekolta...I usually do strolling stuff so, my "excuse" or motivation to put it in the stack of cards is that since there is no table available to set the card down, the next best option is to stick it there. I could have mentioned this at the outset but wanted to hear what others had to say first.
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Well it is nice to know what you have already thought about so we don't cover the same ground. It also gives people an idea of the directions you think in. But that is just me.
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I don't know the routine and am working from the description of the action here.

That said, might a simple command to "Bury it" suffice?
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I personally think that if you mention it or bring any attention to it then they will not suspect a thing. Also putting the stack down straight away, like Colin said, also helps to reinforce that nothing is out the ordinary. Do it all like its natural and confidently and no one will suspect a thing.

Just my two cents!

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My advice is not bad I think but I understand people don't want to listen this kind of advice nowadays it's all and right now.
What shame for our art.
I think it doesn't bring it up.
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You're thinking about it too much, as Euan said if you act naturaly towards it and bring any attention to it, people will think nothing of it. Your presentation should take the attention away from the card. How do you recieve the image, psychology, through transmission, what ever it is, play this up, really act it out and people will forget about the card.

I've got a few routines where a business card is put back onto a stack in my hand, I just ask for the card to be returned when they've finished with it. I've never once been called up on it.
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I agree with Euan4. They don't know what's coming and if you don't draw attention to it and do it with confidence like it was natural they won't suspect a thing. It's only you that knows you're going to try to duplicate it so just do it. As Gok Wan would say "It's all about the confidence." (If you're not from Britain then that might not make much sense but the phrase still applies)
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Many thanks for the responses. That helps a lot! That's the sort of feed-back I was looking for.
Best to all,
Bob
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The question is a reasonable one, as I can't help but feel the little bit of dirty business cools the thermometer of conviction by a few degrees. However, it needs to happen, and the advice given here is sage.

On that note, I recently purchased Danny Archers latest lecture notes which added a very nice subtlety/convincer to address the other glaring issue in the laymen's point of view.

Why is this relevant to the thread ?

Well because after a little thought, I've added a touch myself which allows you to give the stack right back to the laymen or a third party to hold onto with 100% confidence. With the natural time displacement added throughout the routine, the laymen will forget you even touched the stack. I feel these added touches address both problems, and strengthens the conviction. Also, as a byproduct, it turns this piece into a true strolling effect - no table necessary.

If your REALLY interested in fleshing this piece out into a nice routine, I highly recommend Ran Pinks 'Tactilis'. I use the first phase of the routine which immediately focuses on having the laymen read my thoughts. This phase is done after I return the stack back to their hands, and ensures the laymen is focusing on my thoughts, not the stack (not that it matters in my case).

Yahoo & Toodaloo!

P.S. - I don't own Colin's DVD set (yet), and I'm not sure how his routine is structured. I only posted because the original requires the same bit of business in question. I apologize if his handling has already addressed the 'other' issue, or is a true strolling effect.
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My post was meant to say if you don't mention it or bring any attention to it.

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On 2010-11-18 03:56, parmenion wrote: My advice is not bad I think but I understand people don't want to listen this kind of advice nowadays it's all and right now. What shame for our art. I think it doesn't bring it up.

I think you make too many assumptions about the OP.
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I don't think so, unfortunately.
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