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Mind Guerrilla Inner circle Queens, NY 2670 Posts |
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On 2010-11-20 09:38, tkahng wrote: I think occasional failure helps a mentalist's credibility but I find 20% success unacceptable, especially when there's an alternative, sure-fire method (The Jay Sankey effect mentioned above, which is expanded upon by Banachek in "Psychological Subtleties 2"). Does "Mind Eraser" risk the same low success rate as the Jermay effect? Are there outs? Is the trailer only showing us the rare hits? |
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nimrod Special user 881 Posts |
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On 2010-11-20 17:19, Mind Guerrilla wrote: 95% success is unacceptable. Not for stage work. |
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david12345 Special user 714 Posts |
I think it would be a great tool when speaking with a potential customer, but it surely would have to be 100%.
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backinblack Special user 910 Posts |
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On 2010-11-20 12:51, nimrod wrote: if this ain´t a joke I would be very interested. especially after I just read a not very positive feedback about mind eraser on the penguin site. |
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noblezada New user 12 Posts |
If anyone has any questions about Mind Eraser, please feel free to contact me about it. Or post a response here. I'm more than happy to help.
Mind Eraser is pretty cool. I mean, my opinion is skewed... but from performer to performer, I like it. I think you will too. The real jem is the device/routine that Joe uses to create such suggestible participans. On it's own it's powerful. It's called 'The Heat Test,' and it's super innocent. Fit's in anywhere before the routine as a warm up (part method). I like doing it before other routines too. Not just Mind Eraser because it engages my spectator and creates rapport. Always good. Magicians should learn hypnosis... I'm just saying. As many of Mentalists and Hypnotists know, suggestion work can be reliable... if you chose the right client, or you create the right client. And Joe has designed a fun and 'practical' routine that does just that. You can watch the demo on Penguin if you want. Nimrod: I actually like these reactions... and they will vary depending on your participant, so... intend to have fun overall with this. You're not going to get the '8 foot loop' every time. Remember, it's not really a 'magic trick.' It's the reverse of a mind-read. So the reaction will be awkward and strange... You know what I'm saying? Anyway, If you get it, enjoy it. There's more on the training CD than this effect. Good Stuff for the price. Also, I met Joe after seeing his work for several years. He's the real deal holyfield. Look him up on youtube. Any questions please go for it. |
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts |
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On 2010-11-19 00:20, MagicallyMe wrote: This, unfortunately, already happens to me. What I'd really like is a method to get spectators to remember their card! |
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noblezada New user 12 Posts |
Oh! about hit rate... percentage-wise? 90% ain't bad. Not at all, for any trick, or performance routine. Especially with this one, because it's malleable. You're quick on your feet and can go right into any routine that starts with a pick-a-card. I've never done that, but I'm sure I will someday.
I missed a few times when I was learning this. First tried it on my buddy Jeff Corn. Then my girlfriend. It was nice. But didn't hit. It was nice because of the implication resonated. "Oh. That's gonna be nice." Jeff said. My girlfriend looked at me and said, "What? No way." . And I didn't even hit! Work in progress, Plus I had 2 tries under my belt. I knew I was close. Then came the 'HIT' while I was out with some friends at a local lounge here in LV. I had tried twice already, so my confidence was sky high. The first girl I met, complete stranger.. and I went for it. Do or die, right? Well, not really. It hit. It felt nice. All the while I knew that if didn't matter if it did or not! I was learning, and this girl was not my type anyway That's the great thing about strangers. They won't hate you if your silly little mind game didn't work. They'll ask for more! If you do this for 20 people, you'll be a beast. Do any trick 20 times and you'll be way better than twice. I don't know very many magicians that try something more than 3 times before they give up. Mainly because a bad experience can create a bad association to the product. We fall, we get up, and try it again. That's the way of the warrior. Get stronger through your experience. Am I wrong? That's how I get better anyway. I know what you're thinking... but Mind Eraser if VERY practical. It just takes courage (I'd say balls, but I'm trying to be nice here on my 2nd post on The Magic Café!) But with suggestion and hypnosis it's easy... you have to walk through the fire, you know? You'll get better as you experience how you react in real life. Think cold reading... hell, any performance piece. Hypnotists know this. any seasoned mentalists know this too. "The only difference between a beginner and a PRO, is about 100 performances." In this case. Probably about 3 or 4 done right. You guys can do this... I've got students that have NEVER touched mentalism or hypnosis learning this with 1st time hits. You guys probably perform all the time. Working a Mind Erase into the mix is a nice touch. Quote:
On 2010-11-22 03:25, writeall wrote: Funny! |
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
Off topic somewhat but I remember the first time I tried hypnosis on a complete stranger after a show.
Now I know that some will not go under. That does not matter now but it did then. Visualize and just do it! Learning hypnosis is not the important aspect of hypnosis. Suggestion is. Now I use suggestion in all aspects of life. It has raised my mentalism performances to another level. Decomp Still Stinking and Like It
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MagicTobe Loyal user 259 Posts |
I do not see how this product is different from a standard hypnotic amnesia suggestion?
Please if this has nothing to do with hypnosis than Kudos to the creator and sorry for my error. However if this IS hypnosis, then I have to express my doubts. Hypnosis is such a powerful tool and can therefore be misused in the wrong hands. Hence I believe it should be always taught in a broad context. Just teaching a single suggestion without talking about the history of hypnosis, the safety rules, the pre-talk etc etc is in my very personal view, irresponsable. |
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rpierce Inner circle New Hampshire - USA 1220 Posts |
Question for Jay - I am a mentalist and do not do a great deal with cards, maybe one card effect of direct mind-reading. I do dabble in hypnosis, not as an effect in and of itself, but more to enhance other effects. Does this provide variable outs that do not have to lead to another card effect?
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Prager Inner circle e-Mentalism.com 1858 Posts |
Does this works in spanish?
Thank you very much my friend.
Jose Prager
The man who knows how to amuse and mystify www.e-mentalism.com Secret products for mentalists. |
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noblezada New user 12 Posts |
Tobe: I believe that hypnosis powerful too... and what you believe is true to you.
What I believe, is that hypnosis does not have to be taught in a broad context. In fact you don't need to know very much about hypnosis at all to create amnesia. In fact, many people we all know are very hypnotic, and they don't know it. Not sure what you mean by irresponsible, but I can guess why you might have your reservations about a 'trick' like this. Mind Eraser would spark any beginner's interest in hypnosis related study. Some great references on the disc. So yes, it's hypnosis, in the mildest sense. Email me. noblezada@gmail.com I'd love to show you what I mean. rplerc: I like your style man. Go for a cold/tarot read along with your mind-reading skills. Remember, everything is malleable. As Anthony Jacquin says, "REALITY IS PLASTIC!" Anyway, I think you can easily master this without the need for outs... but as a direct mind-reader, you'll be fine my friend. And what's great, is that you never tell your client what you're doing... so there's never any moment where you 'miss.' J. Prager: YES! Because hypnosis and suggestion isn't about the language, but rather the delivery and intention of that language. We can communicate to each other through so many ways... even without speaking. You know what I mean. Check it out in Italian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1tyvIbUpcs If you make a youtube video of you pulling Mind Eraser in spanish, I'll paypal you whatever you paid for it! I mean that. Make it good! Thank you all for your interest in Mind Eraser! Feel free to find me on Facebook and we can session on any of these topics. http://www.facebook.com/noblezada |
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Prager Inner circle e-Mentalism.com 1858 Posts |
Thank you very much Jay!
I´m placing my order today!
Jose Prager
The man who knows how to amuse and mystify www.e-mentalism.com Secret products for mentalists. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Many of us have been doing this for many years, but I don't have a problem at all if someone wants to re-name it (since I don't think anyone actually owns it) and, providing their teaching process is qualitative, make themselves a living from it.
When this 'type of thing' was first done by magicians, I believe at least 15 years ago, it was all about being good at the t-p ch--ge. Then hypnotists and NLP-ers had a look and the whole handling could then be changed. Of course this is ideal for magicians with NLP/hypnotic skills since they can use an 'out'. But here's the thing: In looking at the clip itself, if I'd never done this before, I honestly feel that there's enough shown right there, to allow a decent performer, with pacing, leading, anchoring and witchdoctor skills, to do this immediately. That's because the clip doesn't just show the skill of the performer, but also it reveals just how 'certain' individuals operate. Or... can be operated upon. For what it's worth, when it's gone it's gone. it doesn't come back, unless you do something else. I guess that's where you'd need to pay the 67 bucks!
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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jingo786 New user 4 Posts |
In regards to the 'extract a thought or word etc' - is that covered in enough detail? it seems the main focus is on the amnesia effect.
and if it is covered - is it as it sounds? you ask a spectator to think of a word? or is there a certain catch to the routine? thanks |
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noblezada New user 12 Posts |
Jingo786: sorry about that. What I mean by 'extract' is "TAKE OUT" or remove. In other words, the word or thought is erased. That is the effect. Sorry about the confusion.
Like anything you'll perform, this one will take practice. Even a complete beginner with this type of thing can rock it. It's happening now. Off topic, but just to get you thinking in terms of success with new thinking: I had a 14 year old show me a coin trick, John Cornelius' 'Coin That Falls Up.' The height on his muscle pass was about 2 feet. A lot higher than mine if I think about it. I asked him where he learned it and he said from me. I asked how long it took him to get that the coin that high, and he said 4 days. Then I asked him how long he had been performing coin magic, and he said, "This is the first trick I've ever learned. I got your DVD for Christmas. I'm just saying, never get stuck in a belief that limits you from learning and growing. ...at whatever speed you wish. To whatever level you desire. This is important if you're looking to do any 'amazing thing' with your mind and other minds. Use self-hypnosis for yourself first, and it will be so much easier to do it for others. Stay motivated and hungry for progression and see what happens in your life. Trust me, this has to do with Mind Eraser. It has to do with everything. |
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WV Loyal user South Africa, Durban 290 Posts |
I noticed some people says this is the same as "Posthypnotic Amnesia"? Is tis the case? I found a resource that is a lot(and I mean A LOT) cheaper that this one that covers Posthypnotic Amnesia. Could the same priciple be applied to this.
Vernesto
"I'm not perfect, just forgiven!" |
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
Just thought I would share a few words on this.
I purchased the download edition directly from Jay's website. I'm currently still listening to it, although I've listened to most of the sections. First of all, I was pleased that it lived up to the copy. I've always had something personal against drawing an audience member into a full induction, instant or otherwise although I am well aware of how do so having read several works on the subject including Reality is Plastic. This effect does not use direct hypnosis, but rather plays upon the subconscious by working through suggestion and some terrifically minor interrupts (that I am not sure actually qualify as real mental interrupts, in other words you could probably perform it without them) to create the same effect of hypnosis, for a short time span. Again, this is different from post-hypnotic amnesia because you never actually "put them under" so to speak. Because of this I have a feeling that I will be performing it soon, after I've had time to practice in front of a mirror. Aside from the basic effect, Jay and Joe run through everything you could ever want to know about the system in a conversational manner. They go through at least three or four psycho-physiological lead-ins to the effect so that you can test individuals on whom the test will most likely work, which could be presented as effects themselves. These are covered very, very thoroughly. All scripts are provided in the accompanying PDF. The MP3's then go into more on the mind and hypnosis in general, dispelling many myths about hypnosis, and citing resources to learn more about it. Jay also goes through an unreleased effect of his that could be presented in a number of ways; he presents it as a PK touch, but I would most definitely present it as a Force Choke (Star Wars fans hear me ) as I am still terribly sore from it. That said, the entire effect and methodology will have a great appeal to any and all Star Wars fans; the process is nearly identical to a Jedi performing a Force Mind Trick... Makes me wonder of George Lucas was into hypnotism, its so eerily similar. It's actually impossible for you to look bad or get burned on this effect; once you hear it you'll understand. I will post more after I've performed it this evening. Rating of quality of material: 9.5/10 Rating of effect itself: Pending
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david12345 Special user 714 Posts |
Very helpful DekEL
Thank you, Can't wait to hear how it really plays. Good Luck David |
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WV Loyal user South Africa, Durban 290 Posts |
Cool! I'm a Christian and just have some second thoughts about hypnosis (something personal). I'm glad to hear that this is different. Let us know.
Vernesto
"I'm not perfect, just forgiven!" |
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