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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:04, Steve_Mollett wrote: What further evidence do you have of the existence of the Great Bonzo? Your mere assertion is not enough. Carrie |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:07, Carrie Sue wrote: BINGO!!!!! That's exactly the point I was trying to make. I CANNOT PROVE BONZO, so you you are free to DISMISS BONZO!
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 20:54, Carrie Sue wrote: I'm sure you can, Carrie. But, they're ALL my favorites! Why do I have to believe in God? Why are they out of context? I was illustrating that the bible is not exactly a model of morality. There's all kinds of slaying and smiting and pillaging and enslaving and killing going on (much of it endorsed by the big guy). And not just a couple of incidents, but MANY incidents. Seems to be a common theme throughout. If these passages were in any other book we would consider those books too violent for children (and some adults) to be exposed to, now wouldn't we? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:10, Steve_Mollett wrote: And you say this to say ... what precisely? I'm sorry, but I'm missing your point. Carrie |
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
"Offer your proof of the supernatural and we can start fresh. Fair?"
No - I asked you to make a positive presentation on your case for atheism. It is not as if this has not been done before. It has, many times, Steve. But you can't do it - you don't have one. The best you've got is, "well....YOU prove YOUR case." Sorry, I'm sticking to my guns on this one.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:10, Steve_Mollett wrote: HUGE elbow from the sky!!! Steve nailed it here! We need to stop and contemplate what just occured here. Seriously. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
Ron,
It is clear you are saying you do not like the god that is represented in the bible. We get that. Anything else? (sorry, the posts have flying so fast I may have missed something!) Mark
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:25, Chessmann wrote: Hi Mark, Not exactly. It's not that I don't "like" him, I have no good reason to believe that any Gods exist. I agree, the posts have been whizzing by. I like your contributions, though. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
Thanks for clearing that up, Ron.
Just curious, do you consider yourself an atheist, agnostic, etc.... No arguments here, just curious.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:16, R.S. wrote: I'm just going to say this: Not everything the Bible records -- because it records the deeds of sinful people -- does it approve of. And as for God killing people all over the place, as the Creator of life He has the authority to take it away. The reason murder is wrong for people is that none of us has the power to restore a lost life. God does have that power, so it's not immoral for Him to take the life of any human. Remember this life is not the end. If God is real, there is life beyond this life. Remember, Jesus Christ Himself said that unless we all repent and follow God, we will all likewise perish. Carrie |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:29, Chessmann wrote: Atheist. Yourself? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:22, Chessmann wrote: You can't prove the supernatural, can you?
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
I sense a lockdown, soon.
You know, it would be interesting to see what would happen if the Café would create one topic for evolution, and one topic for existence/non-existence, and allow free posting, along with a 'never-delete-the-topic' policy. I don't expect this to happen, of course. I wonder if the topics would eventually die out?
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
But to 'offer' something, let me ask you which is more acceptable as a rational observation:
We said, "Gee--civilization doesn't work too well if we go around robbing and killing each other." or "And the Flying Spaghetti Monster said to the prophet, Balustraius, "Here are my divine laws; obey them!"
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:32, Steve_Mollett wrote: If you start with the presupposition that the supernatural doesn't exist, then I suppose not. However, if you start with an open mind to the possibility of the supernatural, then it is possible to analyze the legal/historical evidence. Carrie |
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:32, Steve_Mollett wrote: Steve, you cannot even make a positive presentation of your own worldview? (I assume it is yours, anyway, unless you were playing devil's advocate) Did I mention proof? I simply asked for a positive presentation on your/the atheistic worldview. If you want me to talk about presenting a case for my side, PM me and we'll discuss. I do have some things you might find interesting. I'm going to go play with my daughter now, plus I don't want to write a lot only to find that when I hit "Submit" there is no topic for it to go to! I will say this about proof. Years ago someone prayed for me - just general prayer - and I experienced instantaneous physiological change and healing in my back. He wasn't praying for my back, nor was I thinking about it. But it happened. Again, instant, physiological change. I didn't need the proof, as I was already a believe. I sometimes mention this in the hopes God will use it somehow to draw others, but I would not use it as proof in an existence/non-existence debate. That will at least tell you how I would not argue. BTW, I liked Creepy Magazine.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:33, Chessmann wrote: Round and round in circles, round and round it goes. Turtles all the way down. I'm glad Payne popped up, I'm throwing the towel in. There's no point in arguing evolution with a creationist- you just end up yelling past each other and the end result is incoherence. Though I guess the real point is to try and convince any observers.
Self-proclaimed Jack-of-all-trades and google expert*.
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:35, Steve_Mollett wrote: Change the F.S.M. to God, and give me archaeological and historical proof that He exists, and it makes total sense. Animals steal things from each other and kill each other, and still seem to survive. Why bother with civilization and moral laws. They hamper our freedom to do what we want, don't they? Carrie |
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Carrie Sue Veteran user Auburn, MI 332 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:44, EsnRedshirt wrote: Bingo! Carrie |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2010-12-02 21:29, Carrie Sue wrote: Well, it certainly approves of slavery. It certainly approves of all the despicable deeds attributed to God himself. So you're saying that the Creator of life can kill people at will and for no reason at all if he wanted to? We find it reprehensible for a parent on earth to kill his or her child for disobedience, and yet it's OK for God to kill us for disobedience? Does that sound reasonable to anybody? If God himself came to you and commanded you to kill someone (and gave no reason why), would you do it? Would you kill your own child if he said so? The bible is not about morality, it's about obedience to authority. And God is like a Mafia boss - obey him or he'll break your legs. All indications are that this life is indeed the end. Wishful thinking won't make the alternative true. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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