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On 2010-12-01 20:41, MagicSanta wrote:
But a kid will pour gas onto a wallet and set it on fire.....

What is a magic lighter by the way? I've never seen one.

It should be noted that kids are dumb by nature and fire, sticking things into the mouth or ear or nose, chopping effects....none are a real good idea. The difference between fire and chopping though is the kid, through the fog of dumb that is their life, realize fire isn't good.

MagicSanta, the lighter I had was an old zippo, ya light the zippo and then pluck the flame from the lighter with bare fingers and use the flame to light a candle.

Here's the funny part ... I never used the lighter in my show, far too many times if one wasn't careful you could get burned on the finger tips and that's not a nice feeling in the middle of a show is it? I actually used it in every day life...just like the color changing lighter, appearing cigarette, cig up nose/in ear etc. vanishing cig with p*ll.

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On 2010-12-03 22:13, TonyB2009 wrote:
I am constantly being told that parts of my routine are horrible effects that will drive away business. Magicians are always telling me to drop the balloon swallow, etc. Funnily enough no booker has ever expressed those views. In fact bookers, as opposed to fellow magicians, have specifically requested those sorts of effects. For children's shows over the years I have been ASKED FOR knife through arm, fire breathing, and walking on broken glass, among others.
I am personally of the view that all three of those effects are more suited for an adult audience, but when requested I have included them. They have gone down well, and have not driven business to my rivals. I know, because I get plenty of repeat business.
Kimmo, we aren't mistaking the PC mindset and the Health and Safety mindset. We are just lumping them together because they go hand in hand. The reality is that if you use a lighter to fire a dove pan and produce sweets for the children (I don't myself, because I am too stingy!) there is no real safety risk, except in the PC and H&S raddled minds of the minority. Reasonable people (the vast majority) do not have a problem with this use of a lighter.

Tony, my old show from 1996-2006 consisted of tricks like the french head chopper (mak), voodoo box, ropes thru neck & body, bisection, headtwister, straitjacket (for 5 yrs old & up), flaming head chest, Dagger Inc, vanishing /appearing candle, torch 2 rose, dove pan...etc the list could go one man.

Whenever I was booked to be with other kids entertainers I was always asked to go on last...why???

Because the other kids entertainers couldn't follow my act, there was no way and yes my act was designed for kids of all ages and man it went over like gangbusters, I got booked on the reputation of my show alone.

There was no coloring book nor break away wands in my show, the other kids entertainers had to bicker amongst themselves as to who was gonna do what tricks because they were basically doing all the same stuff.
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(since people don't read what I post I might as well drag it on....but you won't notice)

My problem with not using lighters in my show is how else do I light the cigarettes? I can't just bring a toaster out and let it get hot then use that to light the cigs for the manipulation routine. I am considering lighting my glass of brandy before I toast the birthday child, just an idea now though. At present I produce the snifter of brandy and raise it to the birthday boy or girl and say "Sorry, you can't have any of this until you are 12".
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(Pardon me whilst I zip up my flame proof suit...)

PC...? BS!!!

I get so hacked off every time I read one of these stupid PC debates concerning the appropriateness of certain effects in the realm of Children's Entertainment. For all of you who are spouting off about "don't do this in your show!", why don't you focus on your own show and quit worrying about ours.

If you want to use fire in your show (or anything else), then use it and quit asking a bunch of magicians who have nothing better to do than sit around on a magic forum spouting off nonsense and "preaching the gospel" what their opinion is. Who cares what a bunch of magicians think. The important thing is what your clients think!

It's all about COMMUNICATION people!!!! Plain and simple!!!!

Unlike many, I am able to offer SEVERAL different shows to my clients...eight to be exact. The two shows that I book the most for birthday parties/private home shows are my "Whirlwind of Magic Show" and my "Concentrated Insanity Show." They are completely polar opposite of each other. One show is what many magi would consider "young child friendly" and the other show is full of daredevil stunts and dangerous shock magic. I'll let you figure out which is which...

When the client calls me, I give them a description of each show and I let them choose which show will best fit their crowd as they know their audience more than I do.

Concentrated Insanity is my most popular show and the one that is usually booked. The show contains:

- Fire Eating and Fire Manipulation
- Torch thru Arm
- The Balloon Swallow
- Razor Blades
- Spike Roulette
- Needle thru Arm
- Straight Jacket Escape

...just to name a few.

I have performed this show for ages 6 and above. Why? Simple! The client selected that show for their child's party. They could choose from whatever shows they wanted and THAT was the one they picked!

I use more than a lighter in my show, I use torches! YES! I do fire eating in peoples homes. I communicate my needs to the client PRIOR to the show and it's all drawn out in my contract. The client disables their smoke alarms so they won't go off during the show. I have two fire extinguishers on hand at all times, one on each side of my set up along with a fire blanket as a safety precaution. In 20 years, I've NEVER had to use any of them. I have a spotless safety record!

At my weekend restaurant, I perform my stage act 9 times Friday thru Sunday and Fire Eating is part of the show. The owner of the restaurant loves it and it's a staple of my act. He has to pay for all of his permits (and from what I understand, it ain't cheap), but he supports it as we witness every weekend the reactions it gets.

I do have insurance on my act, so if something does go wrong, then I (and my client) are totally covered. I pay up the wazoo for it, but it's worth the peace of mind. There is also a clause in my contract that states EXACTLY what my show will consist of and I make the client initial that clause giving me permission to perform it their home, or school, etc. My contract was drawn up by an attorney and it is rock solid and it will hold up in court...should the need ever arise.

As I said above, as long as you provide FULL DISCLOSURE to the client during the booking process as far as what your show is all about, then your off the hook! If someone get's hacked off over the material in your show, then you can direct them to the person who booked you because it was their choice what show you performed.

I have performed all of the above routines in home shows, daycare's and schools before 100s of kids ranging in age from 6 to 12+ to great applause and I DO get called back to perform over and over again. Why? Because my show is fun and entertaining. Mystery, Magic, and Mayhem. It's all about ENTERTAINMENT!

The natural argument that I get sick and tired of hearing from all you PC junkies out there, usually goes something like this:

"Children will try to duplicate what they see a magician do on stage. It's irresponsible to perform anything dangerous or even something that gives the illusion of danger in front of children."

or

"I don't care how often you say "Don't try this at home", they will try it at home. I hope you never have to live with the knowledge that something you did caused a child harm when they tried it themselves."

I've been listening to that same tired argument for years now from other Magicians. I think it's rubbish and I dismiss it...and I'll tell you why.

First of all, I have found that no matter what you do, you will never be able to please 100% of your audience 100% of the time. It's just not going to happen! Truthfully, it seems to me that the majority of folks who take issue with this are overly sensitive magicians who are so concerned with being Politically Correct that they condemn themselves to Change Bags and Run Rabbit Run.

My answer to the above argument is quite simple. How can a child duplicate what they see me do during my show?

Let's chat first about RAZORS. Truth be told, double edged Razor Blades are not even that relevant anymore. Much like wearing a monocle in ones eye would seem out of place, so are double edged razors. But people can still identify with them as something sharp and potentially life threatening, especially when placed in ones mouth! But that's another story for another time...

WHERE is a child going to get a double edged razor blade? That's not usually something that is kept in the home. A child would need to go out and buy them. What idiot would sell a child a packet of razor blades???

Also, (since I brought up how this item isn't very current in today's society) it's becoming harder and harder to find Double Edged Razor Blades in stores. The Wal-Mart out by me no longer sells them. The last time I was there, I was talking to the stock person who told me they no longer sell them, but he had about 4 packages in the back (which I bought up). Walgreens no longer sells them either (at least in my neck of the woods).

So these aren't' even easily obtainable by an adult let alone a child. So how would a child emulate me performing my razor blade routine? Hmmm...I think not!

Now let's chat about FIRE! Where is a child going to get the material to perform fire eating/manipulation? To do a basic fire eating act you need the following:

- A Lighter
- Fuel
- A Container to Hold the Fuel
- A Torch or Torches
- A Fire Extinguisher
- A Fire Blanket

Where is a child going to get all of this from? They would have to go out and buy it. Again...what idiot in their right mind would SELL THIS STUFF to a minor? Let's just say for the sake of saying it, that some idiot did sell a torch, lighter, and fuel to a child (which would NEVER happen). So now little Johnny is out in the back yard and he lights up a torch. Little Johnny assumes the fire eating stance and starts to bring the torch close to their face. They feel the heat and how hot it is...so they pull back!

I was talking to Fielding West once after a lecture about his very subject and his response to me was "NO KID IS EVER GOING TO PUT FIRE IN THEIR MOUTH! They'll feel the heat and pull it away"

Now let's talk about the BALLOON SWALLOW. Where is a child going to get a 260 balloon to swallow? Hmmmm... True... they could go to a store and buy 260s if they know what to look for. However, a 260 fully inflated is too wide to fit into a child's mouth. It won't fit! It's a physical impossibility. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

The whole point of all this is if a child is able to gain access to any of the stuff I have mentioned above then seeing my show is the LEAST of their problems!

WHERE ARE THEIR PARENTS???? It's up to the parents to teach their children that they are not to do what they see the Magician do. If a child sees me or anyone performing something dangerous and doesn't have the common sense to talk to their child and exhibit a little bit of parenting, then if their child injures themselves after the show while being an idiot, as unfortunate as that would be, it's the parents fault, not mine!

There is MUCH MORE DANGER represented on your local news, on TV Shows, in the Movies, etc. There's more danger on YouTube than in my show.

People should give the kids of today a tad more credit then they do. Kids are smart (far smarter than most adults I find). Most kids wouldn't be dumb enough to try this stuff. If they are that stupid, then their parents are to blame for not doing their job as parents...not for me doing my job as an entertainer.

Let me throw a different slant on this for a minute. I have been to Ringling Brothers Circus every year for the last 10 years. The circus (geared towards families and children) is LOADED WITH DANGEROUS STUFF. I have seen people juggle fire while on a 10 foot unicycle, perform fire eating and blowing, putting their heads in the mouths of lions and tigers, swinging from a trapeze, being shot a 1/2 mile out of a cannon, etc.

After the circus, if a child were to go home and try and stick his head in the family dogs mouth and gets injured or ties a rope between two houses and falls while attempting a High Wire Act, who should be held responsible? The circus? Of course not! The parents would be held responsible!

There seems to be a double standard. Why is ok for kids to watch danger in a Circus or on TV or on YouTube or in the Movies, but it's taboo outside of those arenas?

It's this kind of mindless nonsense that really hacks me off! People don't really know how good magic can be. Why? Because their only experience with Magic is some guy doing 20th Century Silks at a Birthday Party and pulling a rabbit out of a hat. As a community of Magicians, I fear that many of us do more harm than good. We have gotten so PC when it comes to performing for kids that many of the shows lack ANY ENTERTAINMENT VALUE WHATSOEVER!

As of late, I have been doing quite a bit of soul searching about my magic and what it means to me. Tho' my show is riddled with humor, insanity, and zanyness, I do consider myself a serious performance artist. I enjoy performing for people who enjoy magic...however, it seems to me as the years go on, that finding "adults" who enjoy watching the fine art of magic are becoming fewer and fewer.

Why is this?

I believe that there is a negative perception that has been around for many years that magic is nothing more than entertainment for children. I think that most people, when they think of what magic is, will always remember a time when they attended a birthday party (either as a child or an adult) where they saw Grandpa Earl dressed up in his Lodge Jacket wearing his Benevolent Order of Antelope Fez hacking thru his exciting rendition of Hippy Hop Rabbits and Stratosphere with 50 yards of multicolored silks tied together coming out of his sleeve.

Sadly, there are MANY ACTS out there in the trenches today that are EXACTLY as I described above. So long as Magicians continue to perform this same things over and over again with stock presentations, the perception will never go away. It's that reason that I feel I need my show to be different from the normal "kids show" that people are accustomed to watching. It's my hope that YOU feel the same way about YOUR SHOW!

The society that we live in today is far different from that of say 20+ years ago. The world is changing and if we as entertainers do not change with it, then I fear Magicians will become nothing more than a bad punch line... which technically, we already are.

I will leave you with this final thought. Follow these three rules:

1. Do your act
2. Do it well
3. Be entertaining

AND QUIT asking a bunch of magicians on a magic forum what they think about your act. It doesn't matter what we think. Do what you want to do!!!!

So to Christopher Rinaldi, if you wanna use a lighter than go for it and don't second guess yourself.

Rant over...!

Christopher
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Sadly, there are MANY ACTS out there in the trenches today that are EXACTLY as I described above. So long as Magicians continue to perform this same things over and over again with stock presentations, the perception will never go away. It's that reason that I feel I need my show to be different from the normal "kids show" that people are accustomed to watching. It's my hope that YOU feel the same way about YOUR SHOW!

The society that we live in today is far different from that of say 20+ years ago. The world is changing and if we as entertainers do not change with it, then I fear Magicians will become nothing more than a bad punch line... which technically, we already are.

I will leave you with this final thought. Follow these three rules:

1. Do your act
2. Do it well
3. Be entertaining

AND QUIT asking a bunch of magicians on a magic forum what they think about your act. It doesn't matter what we think. Do what you want to do!!!!


The absolute best post I've ever read on this website, especially what I outlined above. Christopher, your the man!
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MagicSanta, I like the sound of your show. Christopher, some words of wisdom.
Here's a sincere suggestion for improving your act. Forget about removing the lighters, and instead remove the chair suspension, colouring book, and rabbit production, and replace them with some magic.
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On 2010-12-03 18:55, ku7uk3 wrote:
...Maybe you drop the fire wallet onto the kid. Maybe you accidentally set light to the curtains...


When Kimmo said he dropped the fire book, I don't think meant literally...

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On 2010-12-03 22:13, TonyB2009 wrote:
Kimmo, we aren't mistaking the PC mindset and the Health and Safety mindset. We are just lumping them together because they go hand in hand. The reality is that if you use a lighter to fire a dove pan and produce sweets for the children (I don't myself, because I am too stingy!) there is no real safety risk, except in the PC and H&S raddled minds of the minority. Reasonable people (the vast majority) do not have a problem with this use of a lighter.


Right on Tony; racism, sexism and uncovered manholes, that's what the people want.
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Sadly, I see frivilous law suits made against others every week. Blame is put on others and not them and some just want to see if they can profit from it.

Some parents do try to put the blame on others and not their children. I have been told many times how I am hurting their child by charging them with a crime or a traffic infraction. I have told the parents that I see why their child is like they are, because they have not been taught to take responsibility for their own actions.

I have given people written warnings instead of citations for traffic offenses when they own up to their responsibility. It is refreshing to see that.

It is like the criminal who was caught on video tape, he said, "Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes".

The reason I quit doing the needle through the arm with seniors is because one lady fainted. Whatever the client wants is fine with me as long as there is no danger to anyone. If need be, get a hold harmless agreement signed prior to a show after explaining about fire effects, should something go wrong or the child does decide to emulate the performer. You may need the advice of an attorney on this.

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It occurred to me almost every kid in the world has had countless lit candles on their birthday cakes. In fact, each year those ruthless, insensitive parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles add even MORE candles! MORE FIRE!!!!

I think we ought to call for a ban on birthday candles! They obviously only lead to trouble.

While we're at it, I think we should all refrain from driving motor vehicles to our shows. Kids might see us in them and assume that they are safe. After all, kids are curious and will figure if WE can drive them, so can they. They will cause accidents and many of them will wind up in hospitals. Or they may not realize how dangerous a motorized vehicle can be and might run out in front of one! If Amazing Stephen drives a car, they might just run out in front of one to see if he is inside.

And what about scissors? Keep them out of you're show. They're sharp. Kids might see you with them and assume they are safe to run with. They could put somebody's eye out!

Let's not forget rabbits. Rabbits in the wild carry disease. Kids, being the stupid little creatures they are, might jump onto one, get bit, contract rabies, and die. If you ever say a hospital room full of kids with rabies, you'd never put a rabbit in your show again.

Let's not ignore paper cuts (leave out the "hat tears" and "cut and restored" effects.) Rope tricks? No way! Some child with undoubtedly make a noose. Wands? All it takes is ONE child to stick one up his nose or into his ear and you'll feel terrible for the rest of your life.

You are better off just telling stories. Wait, I take that back .... Fairy tales are horribly violent! Might give the little angels nightmares.
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Only the parent can lite the candles on a birthday cake. When do you ever see the child doing it? - never. There is a big difference between the authority figure (the parent) and the fun entertainer. With parents, they know the law, with an entertainer, he sets the standard for what they can get away with.
Even so, I've been to many parties where there were no candles on the cake, and others where the child was scared of the candles so much that they refused to get close to blow them out. If you really want to scare the birthday child more, and ruin their birthday party then continue using fire. I agree, older children like to see you 'break the rules' and play with fire. If you think that makes you cool, it doesn't - not for the clients anyway. But for younger children it only makes them more scared of you.

We have safety scissors due to the danger of them in children's hands. If you want an example of that, read Chris's post above.

Cars are given start-up 'keys', to prevent children from opening the door and starting the engine.

Rabbits and all live animals are now banned from entertainment acts in the UK. I admit, the law was only passed recently and applied specifically to circuses. But due to the way they are handled, strict licenses must be enforced if you plan to use one in your act.
As for diseases, you are absolutely right. From Bird-flu, to Mad Cow disease, most animals in the is country are banned from entertainment acts, and more specifically almost all public buildings.
Try and find a magician with a rabbit, they are few and far between.

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Right on Tony; racism, sexism and uncovered manholes, that's what the people want.

George, you can avoid racism, sexism, and all forms of bigotry, without becoming a PC whiner. Being anti-PC does not imply you are in any way bigoted.
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It occurred to me almost every kid in the world has had countless lit candles on their birthday cakes. In fact, each year those ruthless, insensitive parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles add even MORE candles! MORE FIRE!!!!

I think we ought to call for a ban on birthday candles! They obviously only lead to trouble.


Man, I was patiently wondering if someone was going to make this connection, lmao!!! I was going to let it go another day or two before I mentoned b-day candles on the kids cake, thank you Starrpower!

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Only the parent can lite the candles on a birthday cake. When do you ever see the child doing it? - never. There is a big difference between the authority figure (the parent) and the fun entertainer. With parents, they know the law, with an entertainer, he sets the standard for what they can get away with.

And not a soul on this thread said that a child should light his own candles for the cake man...*shakes head*...dude do you even have kids? Your remarks remind me of Department of Social Service Worker that doesn't have ANY kids of their own but will tell others the right way to raise theirs...you funny.
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Rabbits and all live animals are now banned from entertainment acts in the UK. I admit, the law was only passed recently and applied specifically to circuses. But due to the way they are handled, strict licenses must be enforced if you plan to use one in your act.
As for diseases, you are absolutely right. From Bird-flu, to Mad Cow disease, most animals in the is country are banned from entertainment acts, and more specifically almost all public buildings.
Try and find a magician with a rabbit, they are few and far between.

Steve



Err..... not sure if this is true Steve but don't know enough to argue the point. I know lots of magicians in my area who have a rabbit, and doves and, as far as I know, they have never been told that they can't bring them into a public building.

As for this debate, there is a lot of talk about fire, which I don't use personally but Chris has stated that he doesn't want to use fire, just the lighter. Again, this is not something that I use myself so I am in no position to argue.

As for being sued, that is a something to be very wary of, how many companies advertise on UK TV with slogans like "if there is blame, there is a claim"

In the event of an accident, if people think that they can make some money out of you, they WILL try. In my opinion, this isn't PC or health & safety, it's greed.

So, I don't use lighters or fire, I wouldn't advise anyone to use them but, if you want to risk it and can get the risk assesment (needed for various council funded work) passed, that is up to you.

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I personaly know a entertainer/magician whose pants fall down at the end of his show...uh-oh! Although he has confided in me and expressed his concern with growing older and by the time he hits fifty it may be considered creepy, the magician in question is 41 years of age at this very moment.

I feel for him.

:(
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Christopher
I know the magician that you are talking about, and want to say.

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A man in his underwear is always funny. It's a classic ploy. We have seen all the masters in their underwear: the Stooges, Jerry Lewis, romantic comics like Cary Grant, Spongebob, Homer Simpson, and even Marty McFly. In recent years, they seem to have moved to briefs, although I personally prefer the classic boxers with a funny pattern like hearts or smiley faces. Dark socks with garters are a must.

I would consider it creepy if he was dressed as a priest.

But since this thread is about lighters and fire, I think I would refrain from lying while dropping trou, as that would entail one's pants being on fire.

Posted: Dec 5, 2010 2:15pm
As an aside, one of the funniest things I have ever seen in real life dealt with a man dropping his pants. My daughter and I were at a community event where Santa walked from the parade to a community building where he would do a meet and greet. As he walked, he was completely unaware that his Santa pants were falling down until they reached his ankles. To this day, I smile every time I recall that image.

Strike that ... I chuckle aloud. I man sans pants is funny.
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I would consider it creepy if he was dressed as a priest.


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And it's plain dumb to present something using potentially very dangerous articles, which kids under the age of at least 10 should NEVER get anywhere near.
Well Potty, that's just the problem. Some people find the most mundane items dangerous. There is a school that banned pencils because they could be used as weapons and at another, a boy was blinded when a friend bumped into him causing him to fall onto a paintbrush. Does that mean you must ban any paintbrush or writing implement from your show? No, of course not.

Fire is a minefield, but I don't think NEVER is the right word. The choice should be based on the individual children. They all differ in development. In one show you could do a fire effect for a bunch of 5 year olds no problem, in another with 8 year olds you might be better of not doing it.

I subscribe to Gever Tulley's view that children should be allowed to learn about fire in a safe environment. The power to understand and to a certain extend control fire is a major step in someone's childhood. Someone who hasn't learnt it won't be able to build a campfire or be comfortable around candles.

Make it a learning experience with plenty of parental guidance.
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I agree with Chris Lyle. Most of the performers who want to 'police' this are not the most creative or cutting edge. They're usually more of a stiff upper lip, political type who rely on 'codes' and regulation to keep themselves and their boring acts booked. Sell fear.

Children see dangerous stunts at the circus. The only problem with magicians doing dangerous stuff is when the magicians doing it are inept, and the children pick up on the ineptitude. At that point, yeah, they might try what the magician is doing if they don't respect him or his abilities.

I've never in several decades had a child try what I was doing.

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On 2010-12-04 06:15, magicgeorge wrote:
Right on Tony; racism, sexism and uncovered manholes, that's what the people want.

George, you can avoid racism, sexism, and all forms of bigotry, without becoming a PC whiner. Being anti-PC does not imply you are in any way bigoted.


Sorry Tony, I was exaggerating somewhat for comic effect and of course I wasn't suggesting you are any of the above!
My point is that I believe being "PC" simply means not saying or doing anything offensive to someone because of their gender, race, sexual orientation or disability (whining optional) which makes me wonder what "anti-PC" actually means. I've never come across any examples of the PC brigade spoiling my life or the H&S brigade being over-protective toward the public. I've only ever read about the occasional extreme example sensationalised (or completely made up) by the odd tabloid.

If you're 100% sure that whatever you're doing (fire, balloon swallowing, bumcoils, whatever)is completely safe and socially acceptable then do whatever you want to do.
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Sooooo.... I recently did an x-mas show for people of all ages at an Elk's Club, plenty of kids about. I purposely performed a sucker lighter routine in the act just to see what would happen.

I used a White paper gift bag and a Red paper gift bag (santa colors), a White Lighter and a Red Lighter, the red lighter was placed in the red bag and the white lighter placed in the white paper bag. The lighters changed places a few times, at the end when the folks thought there were extra Red & White Lighters in the paper bags the bags are tipped over to reveal a Green Lighter from the white bag and a Yellow Lighter from the red bag...

"I guess that's why we shouldn't play with lighters!"

It went over well and was routined along with a vanishing candle and some silks, the exact routine I will not describe in exact detail but I will say not a soul came up to me and complained, matter of fact as usual I got more private gigs outta the deal.

Granted, most of these people that are affiliated with the local Elks Clubs within a hundred mile raduis of myself are not your run of the mill upper class snooty PC types so it may be easier for me to get away with things like this...I dunno, maybe it has to do with character? I do come off as the *I'm gonna do it my way type* and most times people enjoy coming along for the ride.
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