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MagicMitch
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What do you guys say when someone calls this on you? "You saw the card!!"
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I will give multiple suggestions:

a) switch directions to an effect where the performer can see the card (ambitious card). "Yes, I saw it, its not that kind of a trick. In fact to make sure this is really your card, sign it bold and big across the face"
b)"Yes I saw it, I beg your pardon. COuld you please take another card?"

Ofcourse they can also say this in mid trick. mostly this is a random shout designed to make you admit you know the card beforehand. When this happens, I usually make it a throw off and finish the effect anyway. If you do another one make sure you make the selection and losing procedure more convincing so they can't say that anymore. You can accompany this with the words: "to prove to you I really don't see the card I'll turn my back" or use a riffle peek.

There are many more solutions, I could be specific if youd like to tell me when exactly this happens.

Sincerely Michiel
"He must be content to rank with the common herd." - S.W. Erdnase
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Am i??? Oh my God...... This card is so sexy!!!!
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Never had it happen.

When doing a "I mustn't see your card trick" 1 of several things happen:
a. My back is turned during selection.
b. The selection process is designed so that neither I nor the selector can view it.
c. Before selection it is stressed so heavily that I mustn't see the card that a challenge has been tossed out, there is no way they will do anything that could possibly let me see it.

Then this thing always happens, I never handle the card. When? Never. They put it back in the deck if it needs to go there. Then usually I have them shuffle after replacement.
You know why don't act naive.
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Do you think simply turning your back is sufficient?
Are there situations where it might be "dangerous"?
(Giving the lil' brat an opportunity to screw up a stack, for instance.)
Do you have an alternative for "I can't see it, but I'm still in control"?

Ed
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This is the exact reason that having a variety of differing control methods is so advantageous! There are a bunch of nifty methods for marking (nail nick, etc.) the card as it's returned to the deck in a way that you couldn't possibly know what it is. There are methods of having the card replaced while your head is turned and yet you can control the card as you push it into the deck, etc. Watch for a wide variety of little 'tools' that allow you to get beyond the same old take a card and place it here in the deck routine. Folks be totally wrong about you knowing the card, but you are still stuck with them "thinking that you know" the card which dilutes the overall effect of your card magic.

Hmmmm...lot's more I could share, but I think they'd move the post..... Best,
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I was thinking about putting the deck on my table and covering it with a cloth. They cut the top off the deck through the cloth, then pull off the top card of the bottom half. We can then put the bottom half on the top, and they can insert their card back into the deck anywhere, all still under the cloth. Finally, take off the cloth, and I pick up the deck, never having touched it or had a chance to force or see their card.

Yes? No?

Ed
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On 2010-12-02 17:25, Ed_Millis wrote:
I was thinking about putting the deck on my table and covering it with a cloth. They cut the top off the deck through the cloth, then pull off the top card of the bottom half. We can then put the bottom half on the top, and they can insert their card back into the deck anywhere, all still under the cloth. Finally, take off the cloth, and I pick up the deck, never having touched it or had a chance to force or see their card.

Yes? No?

Ed



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On 2010-12-02 12:45, Ed_Millis wrote:
Do you think simply turning your back is sufficient?
Are there situations where it might be "dangerous"?
(Giving the lil' brat an opportunity to screw up a stack, for instance.)
Do you have an alternative for "I can't see it, but I'm still in control"?

Ed


First I don't do "lil' brats". Second if a stack is involved I'm not letting anyone get close to the deck. Third if I turn my back most times I'm not caring what the card is anyway. It's not always a "I'm gonna find your card trick".
You know why don't act naive.
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I don't have that much experience with card tricks. I have only gone through Hay's Chapter on Cards in the Amateurs Magician's handbook once. But on a few walks through Lake Eola in downtown Orlando looking for "Victims" in order to do my worse Card tricks and mess up (I read here in the Café that I need an opportunity to be a BAD Magus before I have any hope of being a good one)I got that "You saw my card!" reaction on two or three occasions and I felt like running away like a chihuahua that has just been kicked hard! I stuck it out though; don't give up! Also, family and friends mean well, but they can be cruel! Do it for strangers they are the audience that you need.

This is what I did wrong:
Trick:
1-Got someones attention: Saying hi, some conversation.
2-introduced the trick:-they where engaged
3-did the important move (Here is where they would sometimes say "You saw the card!")
4-concluded, kind of perfect (in my mind) (Sometimes they would say it here too "Ok I get it.. you must have seen the card!)
5-They said it was nice (and I was shocked because they where impressed but not VERY)

This is how I made it better!:
It stopped being about the trick:
Striked a conversation with someone.
1-Told them a story about body language and how I knew that he/she was friendly from their manerisms
2-began the trick (it wasnt about the cards-BUT IT WAS)
3-did THE MOVE (knew the card they had chosen by now)
4- Spoke to my audience (A man and his wife) about how body language could be used in other ways. (like to guess what card they where thinking of.)
6- Proceded to read the mans body language, guessing color, suit, numbers or letters,
7- and Revealed.
8- They where in awe!

Did I become a super human? Of course! I used the first card trick I learned from Hay's book and added something that I read somewhere a long time ago about body language. I learned a very important lesson that day. Presentation is everything. When the trick itself is no longer as important as the conection between Magus and audience no one will ask anything, they will find it rude to break that bond! Is as if they surrender theur disbilief and play along with you. They know it is make believe, but we both go back to a childlike state where we both roleplay. Im the magician and they are the kids that accept that magic is real... even if it is just for 2 minutes and 30 seconds. We part, with a smile.

Shamsiel
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Great post, Shamsiel!

Unfortunately, when one performs for children in a cretin -- excuse me, "certain" -- age group, the "bond" can often be adversarial. They gain "coolness" points in front of their peers if they can screw up the magician. No, not all of them - and I'm sure there are the "uber-magi" for whom this never happens.

The rest of us, though, need to weave bear traps into our routines!
Ed
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YUp. The most basic form of misdirection is just getting the spectator's mind on something OTHER then what you are physically doing.

This is why routining is so key. I learned this years and years ago from Helms' "Magic and Showmanship", I think.
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I'm with Fay Presto - Magicians are entertainers for whom magic is a tool used to entertain. It is about entertainment more than magic and your second version is a great one!

Nice Job.....now if only I could get the routining right too....ho hum one day.
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