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hypnokid
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Did MP ever answer this?

I love the fact that stage hypnotists think they are better than everyone else. So so hard to hypnotise 12 people out of a room of 1000. Keep thinking your acts are fresh guys.

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My thoughts on head hacking anywhere are:....

First off. I taught Ant and Kev impromptu techniques on my stage hypnosis masterclass in 2004. They have taken it way beyond anything I have ever done with it and have found a market for it. I would like to think I somehow played a small part in getting them going, although Ant was already a very good and successful hypnotherapist. But I have to admit I'm totally jealous of their Youth - compared to me - their energy and their following. I think they should be banned and possibly imprisoned! Or at the very least hung drawn and quartered. How dare they have a whale of time being well known and successful!

The 'Problem' with street hypnosis seems to ME to be this... Except for my friend in New Zealand Reg Blackwood and the head hacking team themselves, the exponents of the Street form don't appear make money from it, even at a busking level. And lets face it the odd free drink or cucumber may be refreshing or bowel cleansing but you can't buy your Broadband with it. So the point seems to be to entertain the performer more than a paying audience, but then that can be said of most people who do magic as well as over 80% of people buying tricks today will never use them outside of a small group of friends or colleagues. And what seems to upset many established stage pros is that street hypnosis is way more popular than full blown stage hypnosis at the moment.

The difference between Stage and Street for me is that whilst one can be passably executed with a knowledge of simple technique, the other can Only be presented with just a simple basic knowledge of technique. I can think of several professional stage performers who's shows are not very good in theatrical terms. However unlike singers, dancers or actors not being very good doesn't show that much as we are still a very small bunch and for everyone who has seen a full stage show there are a dozen who have not. Although the InterWeb is certainly putting a few heads on blocks. I'm planning on putting my full show up there, gulp!

Most stage 'shows' are just a collection of routines with no shape or finesse. Few of them are actually 'shows' but nothing more than Street done on stage. Most 'Comedy' hypnotists are not themselves funny - for the record I've never used that term - with the exception of perhaps Ken Webster that certainly covers most UK players. So perhaps the problem with Street Hypnosis as far as the stage performers are concerned is that it shows how anyone can hypnotise and when the amazing 'skill' is shown to be a shallow disguise of simple psychological procedures, then presentation skills and showmanship is up for scrutiny.

Stage hypnosis took a knock along with all forms of stage entertainment in the 90's in the UK. No, not because there were more people doing shows as some people think, it was the fall of the Miners Welfare clubs and working mens clubs which taught people to go to live shows from being children, right up to the simple fact that it was shown on TV and people then only wanted to see the bloke on the Tele.

Then as the century turned we entered the age of 'Show Me' where with the internet and the Karaoke mindset more people want to do rather than watch. In 1999 when we started teaching there were 13 schools of hypnosis, at last count there are 162 and 10 of those are stage.

The truth is I didn't like the street approach at first. Not sure I do now. For my old head they looked as if they should be taking a box of tissues with them and in the early videos came across as a group of giggling schoolboys playing pranks and copping a quick feel from drunk birds in pubs. Some still do. But to be honest and when I Really look at it, there is little difference between that and me making peoples arms go stiff without bothering to hypnotise in recognisable fashion - certainly not using a trance state, or removing someones phobia at a party with my 'Hypnotic Powers!' when there is no chance of that becoming a booking.

Then I am doing it for Me.

I am after all, above all else, a SHOW OFF, and that is what street hypnosis is all about. It's about showing off. Pure egotism. Having a laff at the expense of others which, to be frank is what hypnosis relies on, the fact that people laugh AT other people in embarrassing situations. People doing ridiculous things, that's right, being ridiculed.

So for me the difference is this. Street Hypnosis is about mind manipulation techniques entertaining the protagonists and little else. Stage Hypnosis is, or should be, about the art of making those techniques a Show and entertaining a fee paying audience.

Glad you enjoyed it Bobser.
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I think why street hypnosis is so popular in the UK is that it is very difficult to see a stage show with the licensing laws so most people never get the chance to see hypnosis live other than on youtube or TV.
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Hypnofande I'd love to agree with you. That way it would be easily fixed (pm me and I'll tell you how). But the reason is two fold. Most of the stage hypnotists in the UK have been and still are sh-t.
They like to say f-ck and f-ckin' a lot and insist on showing the audience what it looks like to see a young girl orgasm in the presence of her family and friends.
It's kinda' like, for a short period in our history we only trained highly uneducated, working class, rough, white male chauvinists, to buy a suit and learn inductions. Then embarrass their volunteers as the world looked on.
I am from and always will be working class. But I have social skills and I am a corporate professional entertainer. I work in a full time practice as a clinical hypnotist and I'm exceptionally good at it. I've also worked in stage hypnosis and have been a professional mentalist (using stacks of hypnosis) for many years.
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Bobser seriously?

I have always suspected this but others claim this is what an audience wants to see. Interesting.

You can PM me so we don't clutter the thread if you like.
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I think Bobser's post has summed up what I've always thought about European Stage Hypnosis. Every Stage Hypnotist I've ever seen from over there always seemed to be blue, adult content heavy on sex (not innuendo but blatant down, dirty and embarrassing, and swearing). Certainly they can't all be like that? Of course since most that I've seem are smaller shows I guess in "pubs" I just figured in was similar to our comedy club hypnotists. Like comedy, it's much easier to go for the dirty, sexual or swearing material. To me it's much more rewarding, skillful and from a business perspective much better for return and residual booking to be clean or even offer family content. Is Ken Webster dirty? I always though he played pretty decent venues? Has Anthony ever done stage shows? Certainly there must be more than Jonathan Royle? Does McKenna still perform?

Maybe we have more clean hypnotists here because of the many different markets for clean and family stage hypnosis in the states. But I still think the street movement and the lack of stage hypnosis success in recent years must have something to do with the laws and insurance over there.

I would be interested in hearing Bobser's easy fix to the problem. What happened to all of the former stage hypnotists that were once more popular there? Did they just fold up shop?
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I was referring to the 'easy fix' in reply to hypnofande's licensing laws. And if he wants to PM me I could give him help there. There are a few answers (one, get a license) but that is NOT a problem. Neither is getting insurance. The bit we don't want to hear (here in the UK) is that stage hypnosis is not a strong desire of a UK audience. And the ones I've talked to say it's because of past embarrassments.
I'm not making this up and it didn't come to me in a dream and my experience this is fairly vast (I have no idea so cannot comment re USA audiences).
I just this very moment broke away to go onto the net and try and fine ONE (public)stage show advertised tonight anywhere in The UK. and can't find one. To the best of my knowledge there is only one (Ken Webster in Blackpool) and that is similar to Danny's on going tried, tested, talked about, on-going show (in Branson?).
Blackpool is probably the number one working class holiday spot in the UK.
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Bobser I find this fascinating.

I suspected as much but again have never had experienced it personally so I can't say sor sure.

I wonder what would happen if someone started doing just a show without all the orgasam stuff?
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I don't agree with Bob that UK hypnotists are sh*t, I just think their humour is massively outdated.
However, it's not just the hypnotists, is it?

It really is all about the comedy and it's actually quite complicated.

Stand-up Comedy in the UK evolved from the old "Working Men's Club" type comic who, generally speaking, borrowed jokes (in stead of speaking his own original thoughts) and who was overtly racist, sexist and homophobic (as opposed to politically aware and culturally sensitive.)

UK stand-up comedy (labeled "Alternative") much of it inspired by American stand-up, found a new, younger audience and new venues. It became a movement. A tribe. I know, 'cos I was there.

It even survived several changes of government to thrive, first in London and later, spreading to the pubs clubs and theatres of the provinces. Then on to Radio and TV. Some say it has come full circle now, but no matter.

However, SOME comedians, most Stage Hypnotists and let's face it, a LOT of magic performers, with a few notable exceptions, stayed exactly where they were in their traditional roots, showing a complete disregard for, ignorance of, or in some cases hatred of any development going on elsewhere.

Consequently, this was to their detriment as this "old" kind of performance only appeals to older audiences, or the unenlightened, clinging on to and yearning for a past where men were men, women were women and jokes were awful. I guarantee those performers who somehow manage to continue in this vein, will tell you how entertainers these days just aren't funny and that political correctness has ruined their livelihoods. The truth is, after a while there was simply no place and no demand for it.

What was once the alternative became the new mainstream.

To this day, if a performer sparks even a glimmer of a reminder of those bad old days, they are generally shunned by an embarrassed and educated audience.

And rightly so.

I understand the sentiment from Americans here who say comedians shouldn't do hypnosis or magic, but it's almost like in the UK there's a stronger feeling that hypnotists and magicians shouldn't do comedy.
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On 2013-03-10 16:17, quicknotist wrote:
I don't agree with Bob that UK hypnotists are sh*t, I just think their humour is massively outdated.


Actually I think we agree with each other perfectly. it's just that I might have explained better that I believe that if a person uses: 'humour that is massively outdated' then they ARE sh*t.
And I have a comedic audience here in the UK of over 20 million (33% of the UK regularly watch and support comedy)who support me.
But it's worse than that. Not only is their comedy outdated. They mainly use the same skits as each other.
There will be exceptions to this rule. ie: you might get Jon Chase using this 'dated' material I refer to. BUT ... guess what? It's very probably HIS material but has been copied so much and so often that he potentially falls into the mix, wherebye the audience is not aware that he is actually doing his own stuff!!!!!
And............ THAT'S why UK hypnotists are sh*t!!!!!!!
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Good question Danny (we don't have a facility here in The Café to 'LIKE').
For me personally, I really like the corporate style of America's Anthony Galie, who could very well be doing his show at a mid-morning coffee break for family members.
I also possess a show of yours Danny which you sent me several years ago. It was and is simply great. You asked me to promise NOT to show it to anyone else and I didn't. But you should travel the world showing them your act. It's as good, as licensed, as funny and as safe as anything out there... end of.
In fact if you're not too scared PM me and I'll arrange to get you over hear for a wee break Smile
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