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panlives Inner circle 2087 Posts 
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Hi All,
In his dynamic and constantly growing eBook, "Ask Roberto," Roberto Giobbi made this statement in the latest installment: "I’ve yet to find a woman who has contributed anything groundbreaking to magic, but would be interested to learn if anybody of you knows more." How might you respond?
"Is there any point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
"To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time." "The dog did nothing in the night-time." "That was the curious incident," remarked Sherlock Holmes. |
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Spellbinder Inner circle The Holy City of East Orange, NJ 6438 Posts
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She's only nine years old, but already Wiz Kid Wilhelmina has come up with three original subtle moves for standard tricks and three completely new and original tricks. Check out her accomplishments in Her Bio under "Goodenough, Wilhelmina" here ( http://magicnook.com/forum/bioFG.htm ). So far she's the youngest.
Going back into the past, we have Anna Eva Fay's "Spirit Handkerchief," Frances Ireland Marshall's many kid show originations, Elizabeth Warlock's rope effects and Anti-Gravity Glasses. I am sure there are others. But of course, it depends on how you define "Ground-breaking magic" to someone like Roberto Giobbi.
Professor Spellbinder
Professor Emeritus at the Turkey Buzzard Academy of Magik, Witchcraft and Wizardry http://www.magicnook.com Publisher of The Wizards' Journals |
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Rebecca_Harris Veteran user 361 Posts
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I think the name Anna Eva Fay is enough by itself. Where would mentalism be if it wasn't for her and the other Victorian mediums who came up with most of the classic ideas that we all use now?
I think that Roberto's statement is hugely narrow minded. Given that magic is massively male dominated, is it really a great suprise that there is only a small percentage of women contributing to it?
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seadog93 Inner circle 3200 Posts
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On 2010-12-15 06:04, Rebecca_Harris wrote: Yes totally! Not to mention, how many magician's 'assistants' never got credit I wonder? Quote:
On 2010-12-15 06:04, Rebecca_Harris wrote: I think (hope) this is changing. I'm always happy at the number of girls who come to my magic classes; and if I do any magic at the library I work at it's more often the girls who are interested enough to check out a book. Over the summer I had a group come to see a library show because they thought I was a woman magician (that's what happenswhen your name is Courtney!); they gave me my favorite compliment of the year: "We didn't even notice you weren't a girl!" 
I recommended Heather Rogers and Caddwynn to them after the show, I hope they were able to see them. Posted: Dec 16, 2010 12:42pm Also what about Charlotte Pendragon. I don't think there is any question (although I could be wrong) that the Pendragons revolutionized metamorphosis, and Charlotte Pendragon was at least half of that revolution.
"Love is the magician who pulls man out of his own hat" - Ben Hecht
"Love says 'I am everything.' Wisdom says 'I am nothing'. Between the two, my life flows." -Nisargadatta Maharaj Seadog=C-Dawg=C.ou.rtn.ey Kol.b |
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Stucky Inner circle I'm Batman! 1355 Posts
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On 2010-12-15 06:04, Rebecca_Harris wrote: I agree. There are many who have had/have an influence, but not given proper credit. Luna Shimada has created many things (behind the scenes as well) and she is still alive and breathing, so far as I know. Adelaide Hermann ring a bell anyone? Tina Lennert? The list goes on of course. Have any of these women created some obscure card slight? This is probably Giobbi's only concern sadly.
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Father Photius Grammar Host El Paso, TX (Formerly Amarillo) 17161 Posts
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I'm still trying to figure out where Celeste put all those doves.
"Now here's the man with the 25 cent hands, that two bit magician..."
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts
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OMG, research Adelaide Herrmann and you'll find one heck of an innovator.
Also Talma Queen of Coins, and Dot Robinson. The early ladies were masters of illusion... Walt |
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ELDEMONIO Regular user 159 Posts
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It's obvious that the large number of male performers will undoubtebly fog a little great female performers, specialy to laymen I think. I believe Giobbi's statement isn't meant in any negative way although some might take it as a negative challenging statement. I believe he is trying to show that he hasn't found women who have reached the hihg ranks other male performers have, such as, Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin, Houdini, Dai Vernon, etc. These men dramatically changed the face of magic, and I belive Mr. Giobbi is trying to find a woman that is comperable to these legends. Could the names of the women mentioned above be in the same ranks?
I'm familiar with magic history and it's performers, but not an authority in any way for me to say such a statement. I believe there are great women performers and thinkers now and in our past, and perhaps they havn't gotten the respect and prestige they deserve. |
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SpellbinderEntertainment Inner circle West Coast 3519 Posts
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Yes, many women were/are in the same ranks as the great performers, inventors, and innovators.
And it is too true that they have not received the same prestige and respect as their male counterparts. Just attend a local IBM or SAM meeting to see the general attitude towards women today, and you'll have an idea of the magnified feelings of lady-magi of other times. Walt |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts
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Let us not forget Lulu Hearst, The Famous Georgia Magnet.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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ELDEMONIO Regular user 159 Posts
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This is a very interesting topic. Does anyone know good books or documentaries of women in magic? I went to the screening of the documentary Women In Boxes at the magic castle and what an informative movie. If you haven't seen the film you can watch it here http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/women_in_boxes/
I believe the director of the film said they would make a sequel named "women outside boxes" or something to those lines, and it would be about great female performers in magic. |
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TheGreatNancini Veteran user Ohio 373 Posts
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All of my magician friends seem to think that Ursula Martinez broke new ground with a TT. I am not familiar with her work. Can anyone tell me about her. Did she put out an instructional DVD?
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gsidhe Inner circle Michigan 1725 Posts
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She does her act as a strip tease, doing the same trick (A TT scarf production) over and over in various states of undress until finally nude and producing a scarf from her...urm...most private parts.
I would consider her a novelty act, not a groundbreaker. The act is amusing at best. I am guessing most of your magician friends are male. |
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Cyberqat Inner circle You can tell I work on the net from my 2209 Posts
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Lets not forget Lulu Hurst, the "Georgia Magnet"
Really, that original statement struck me as just incredibly ignorant and maybe a bit sexist. Edit; whoops, someone else beat me to almost exactly the same post! Edit 2: "Could the names of the women mentioned above be in the same ranks? " Absolutely! Ms. Hurst was at least as well known in her day and created a whole new kind of act. (One could argue that it was inspired/informed by sideshow strongman acts, but then Houdini wasn't the first to get out of a rope, either  )
It is always darkest just before you are eaten by a grue.
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TheGreatNancini Veteran user Ohio 373 Posts
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On 2011-01-12 10:13, gsidhe wrote: Wow....Just wow! Thank you for that "interesting piece of info". Yes, most of my magician friends are male, in fact by nature of loving the art of magic and being a magician myself, all of my non magician friends are male as well. Most of the women I know do not get my love for magic or for my love of entertaining. |
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ablanathanalba Loyal user Can't really boast with only 289 Posts
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On 2010-12-13 08:51, panlives wrote: What a strangely backward thing for him to say. Disappointing. |
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scottsheltonmagic New user Raleigh, NC 59 Posts
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Gay Blackstone!
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hugmagic Inner circle 7665 Posts
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Gay Blackstone has produced more hours of television than anyone in one year Male or female. Yes, she is still thought of by many as simply the widow of Harry Blackstone. She is much much more.
Dothy Dietrich has broken much ground in the field of escapes. Adelinne Herman was a major star in her own right. I think some people need to read their history more and look beyond just a few years span. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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On 2010-12-13 08:51, panlives wrote: This is a classic example of the "foot in mouth" syndrome imho...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts
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Quite an impressive list of groundbreaking contributions that has been complied in this thread.
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