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greydonthemagician
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I'm curious to know where Matin Joyal has gone. I have been reading through his past posts and he seems to know a lot about stacks. I was hoping to get into contact with him but can not seem to find a way. It appears his "Six-hour Memorized Deck" is out of print as well...
Any thoughts are appreciated!
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Martin Joyal
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Thanks for asking. I am alive and well. I stopped posting on the Café in 2005 when the administration asked me not to talk about my writings.

This is simply the cost of advertizing on the Café.

Once you placed an ad on the Café, you are no longer considered as a magician but as a dealer. If a member is looking for a particular magic book, a dealer is not allowed to post his answer (and offer the looked-for title) on the Café.

Some members of the Café do buy used books for the purpose of selling them. Others buy multiple copies of new magic books. Then they sell them by posting messages on the Café. Since they never had an ad on the Café, they are allowed to do so. In my opinions, they are dealers treated as magicians. Of course there are some exceptions. If you are a staff member you then receive a special treatment where you can act as a dealer and a magician simultaneously, meaning that you can have an ad and post messages to sell your product.

When you place an ad on the Café, even a single ad at $100/month, you are bringing financial help to maintain their website. In return, the Café close you some doors. This a funny way to thank you. You are the one who is paying, and you are the one who is punished.

The only way to go around such an inconsistent situation, is when a member post a message saying that there is a good offer going on somewhere. This is why I am always grateful when a member of the Café post something about what I am offering.

The numbers of leads obtained from a post on the Café is ten times higher than the number obtained with an ad. So my advice is think twice before putting an ad on the Café, as you may do you more harm than good!

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Martin, if you no longer have an ad on the Magic Café, can't you now talk about your writings?
I, for one, found your book The Six Hour Memorized Deck to be an excellent resource for the history of mem decks and stacks, and particularly brilliant in the stack you created which relies on several rules rather than memorization.


All the best,
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Kjellstrom
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I have been using Joyal Stack for several years and it is a great stack, easy to remember.
You can do amazing things with a stack like this.
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This is a terrific stack. I was searching everywhere for a copy of the book a couple of years ago, and when I finally found one (brand new, no less) I was happy to see that it exceeded my already high expectations.

Greydon,
I'll send you a PM, as I believe I may know where you might find a copy.

Martin,
Brilliant stuff!!
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Even though I don't use your stack because I made mine, I think that no magician with a bit of common sense should get into a stack before reading your book. Your writing is the only work that tells exactly what are the specifics of the various types of stacks. I could not have made mine without having studied your very clear and detailed analysis of each system.

It's a brilliant book and anybody already using a stack (any stack) or interested in working with a stack will gain tremendously from reading it.
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OK, I confess: I use and recommend Martin Joyal's wonderful stack. I had no difficulty learning the Joyal stack in less than six hours spread out over a few days, and the system has stuck in my memory ever since that time. Even if I didn't use the Joyal stack, I'd find a copy of Martin's book to read the thorough and fascinating analysis of each arranged deck system.
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I use the Joyal Stack all of the time. The rule based memorization approach was much easier than mnemonic associations for me. The rules become impossible to forget after a few hours of practice.

His book is one of the best values I have ever purchased.

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I concur: Martin's book is a terrific resource, a "must have" for anyone into stack engineering.

And although I don't personally use his "Six Hour" stack, it is unquestionably one of the best of the rule-based approaches (these things are always very personal in nature: what is "best" for one will not necessarily be so for another).
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I used Martin's rules as a way of associating cards and numbers when I was learning the stack. I drilled with the stack every day until I gained proficiency.

Now, if someone gives me a number, I instantly know the card. If someone gives me a card, I instantly know the number. If someone tells me a card, I also immediately know the cards before it and after it in the stack. The rules were a means to an end: memorizing a stacked deck. At this point, I no longer use the rules because I simply don't need them.

Other folks may use Martin's stack differently, but that's how I use it.
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The book appears to be out of print and almost unavailable.

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MaxfieldsMagic
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The book and the stack are terrific. It's the only stack I've really bothered to internalize. And the Pupart Trick, from the book, is a stunner.

Too bad this is out of print. Seems like the type of book that would always have an audience.
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Mowee
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I agree and wonder why it is not made available again. It could be made available as a pdf. I have been trying to find one without much luck.
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Dallas & Co. had several copies as of two days ago. Dallasandco.com
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For what it's worth.....I learned this system over 10 years ago. I thought it was "cool" the way it was so easy to memorize - and then I went right back to the Aronson Stack.

When Mnemonica came out, I purchased it immediately and have been with it ever since.

Today, I saw this thread and just for giggles.....would you believe it? After all these years,I can still recall the full order!

For those not familiar with it, I would have to say it's worth getting it if you can. I was pretty surprised that I still recall the stack after 10 years of non-use. Once you know the rules, it's almost impossible to forget.

The 6 Hour Memorized Deck is GREAT!

Cheers.
greydonthemagician
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No doubt the stack is very applicable and easy to use, but on top of that the history within the book is by far the most detailed I have come across. Since my OP I have obtained a copy of his book and am very impressed with it's contents!

Definitely worth the investment if you come across it.
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I use Martin's stack. I was able to memorize it to a point where I could use it in about two hours. I recommend it highly. Check with dealers and especially with used book dealers like H&R and Andy Greget. You'll find a copy at a fair price without too much difficulty.
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wilko7
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I just ordered a copy. I have been looking to learn a stack and decided to have a look at this. After hunting around I found it at magicbooksbypost.co.uk
Should be here on Monday. There based in the UK. there doesn't seem to be many copied around so I was glad to get my copy.
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A few folks have asked me which rule-based stack I prefer. I most like the "Six Kicks" stack, as mentioned in the following paragraph from my essay on full-deck stacks:
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A third approach is used in Martin Joyal's Six-Hour Memorized Deck, and Chris Matt's Six Kicks stack. In place of a classical mnemonic system, these each employ a set of "rules" (Joyal uses fourteen, Matt thirteen) as stepping stones to enable learning and remembering the necessary relationships. By way of an example, the rule for the four deuces (2s) in the Joyal stack is "even positions containing the digits 2 and 4: 22-40-42-44". The equivalent rule for the Matt stack is "positions ending with the digit 2: 12-22-32-42". One can see that these are not precise, specific rules (they are more like clues), and some additional memorization is clearly required. Nonetheless, such an approach makes it significantly easier to get to the stage where you can match card names and stack positions. But there is no magic road to the point where you can instantly recall those associations ... that will take a similar amount of time in any case.
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wilko7
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Ignore my last post. I had ordered the book from magicbooksbypost. It was available on there Website but I've just had an email saying that it's out of stock!!
Does anyone know where I may be able to get a copy?
Thanks
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