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Ron Vergilio Special user Murrieta, CA 835 Posts |
I have some soft Morgans for a three coin routine. However, being the milled edges are almost non-existant, I'm having trouble classic palming them. My hands are on the dry side but I use a lotion that helps in that area. It's getting a grip on the coins edge.
Any ideas to help or does my palm muscle have to learn to hold a smooth edged coin? Any suggetins would be appreciated. -Ron |
J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I have extremely dry hands that give me a lot of trouble palming. I use Chamberlain's Golden Touch lotion (Spray bottle), and also - especially when palming larger coins like dollars - bow rosin. I rub the edges of the coins on the rosin bar and then I have no difficulty at all with the Classic Palm.
IMO you can work all you want on strengthening the muscles used in palming but with smooth edges and dry hands, the coin is still likely to squirt out at the worst possible time. Heck, I can squirt a coin 15 feet easily if I squeeze too hard! Good luck, Jim |
Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Ron,
Garrett Thomas has developed several technical approaches to perform with non soft coins what used to be considered as possible with soft coins only. You may want to check his DVDs
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Mb217 Inner circle 9519 Posts |
Hi Ron,
I think your palming muscles just have to get a bit used to what you want them to do with these specific coins. Keep making the effort and the hands will come to do what you need them to do. As to the milled edges on the coins, yes they can make palming a bit easier but I have found that it's not completely necessary. I have old coins like the ones you speak of here, pretty smooth edges and I CP them all the time. I use them in my Grandpa's Coins 2, it's also a 3 coin routine. You have to perhaps give them a slightly bit more pressure to secure but you can do it with practice, it's all in the muscles really. Oh and while I don't have anything to rub on you or have any such brass buckles on my shoes like a super DVD mentioned here, but you might also give my little CP technique a try. I hear it works pretty good. I PM'd you. -Mb
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Earful New user A Magical Place, CA. 29 Posts |
Hey Marion,
I am still working on your GP Coins 2. I love this routine! I have small hands. What do you think of using halves? Also, I would be interested in some brass knuckle tips, i.e. CP techniques:-) Happy Holidays to you and all here!
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Ron Vergilio Special user Murrieta, CA 835 Posts |
Marion,
Got your PM and thanks. Obviously, because of my response to it, I read that PM before coming here. -Ron |
lorenwade Special user 869 Posts |
I also have mostly dry hands. A lot of people like it, some don't... but I like to suggest Chamberlain's Lotion. I use it and it works great. It's not an oil-based lotion, so it doesn't leave your hands slick and oily. They're actually more of a moist feeling. Worth a shot, I think. I love it.
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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3346 Posts |
Question, I was doing a shadow coin matrix effect and I had 5 nice worn Walking Libery halves and found it a "bit" harder to do than when I was using standard Kennedy halves. I was surprised as I never got caught up,hung up before with the standard kennedy halves.
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Ron Vergilio Special user Murrieta, CA 835 Posts |
Thanks everyone for your suggestions. Deeply appreciated.
-Ron |
J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Rizzo, all Kennedy halves since 1965 are not silver but clad coins and have that nice sharp reeding on the edge. All the silver coins - particularly older circulated coins - are smooth edged because the reeding has worn off. And even when I have that groove on my hands from practicing a lot the smoother edged coins tend to slip at the worst moments! Thus I try to always use Chamberlain's and sometimes rosin to keep them in place. Also, I tend to rely on other concealments as much as possible.
Jim |
Sammy J. Inner circle Castle Rock, Colorado 1786 Posts |
From Wikipedia...
The Kennedy half dollar was struck in 90% silver in 1964. The following year, this was changed to silver-clad, with the silver content lowered to 40%. In 1971, the circulation coinage composition was changed again, eliminating silver, and using the copper-nickel clad standard common to the Eisenhower dollar, quarter, and dime. Bicentennial half dollars dated 1776-1976 were produced in 1975 and 1976 in the copper-nickel clad composition for circulation and proof and also in the 40% silver composition in uncirculated and proof versions for inclusion in special collector sets. When the US Mint began producing silver proof sets in 1992, the Kennedy half dollar included in them had the same composition as the coins of 1964. Pretty sad that our currency went from having some intrinsic value to having no value except what our government determines it is worth.
Sammy J. Teague
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
If you hands are so dry that the hand lotion just sits on the surface, then you can actually make the situation worse. I have found the rubbing a small ball of children's modeling clay in my hands is fantastic. Roth also sells a type of rosin that I imagine would produce a similar type of "tack".
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Ron Vergilio Special user Murrieta, CA 835 Posts |
I have to say that Marions methods works real well. One thing that is nice is that there is nothiong to buy or apply to the hands. His explanation above is just a brief overview of his method but it does work. I'll probably still pick up some of the products mentioned to see how they feel in addition to marions method.
-Ron |
atinczor Regular user New York / Istanbul 113 Posts |
Ron,
I had the same problem. Because of the smooth edges of the old soft coins, I wasn't able to classic palm or edge palm at all. Some of the magic Café members recommended rosin as a solution. It really works. On the other hand, if you want to perform tricks with borrowed coins, you will not have the chance to put rosin at the edges. Marion's advice solved this problem for me. You just need to train your muscles as Marion explains. If you are going to use your coins without borrowing any, rosin really works well. Give it a try and let us know how you get on with it. Best, Atinc ZOR |
Ron Vergilio Special user Murrieta, CA 835 Posts |
I'll have get some rosin and at least give it a try.
-Ron |
MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
If all else fails, you might consider having your the edges of your soft coins remilled by one of the boutique coin guys. That way you get the benefit of the quiet faces, but they're just as easy to palm as modern coins. I have a Dean's Set of Walking Liberty halves from Jamie Schoolcraft that feature remilled edges. They work great for a coins-across using the CP. No one has ever commented that the edges look suspiciously new. For effects that rely more on finger palms, or pretty much anything other than CP, I'll just use regular soft coins with the smooth edges.
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jimvines Regular user Brooklyn, NY 161 Posts |
You can get the edges of your coins re-milled. Several coinsmiths do a great job with this, such as Schoolcraft... You'd need to contact them for details and pricing.
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