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Chris "linkster" Watson
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It has recently occurred to me that there must be quite a few card moves that could be applied to coin magic, especially for showing an ex****** Sh*** supposedly both sides. As a for instance with a stack of coins... using a flustration count type move and if you just had two coins...a mexican turnover should work. Has any one used these moves in a coin magic context?
Are there any others that spring to mind?

Another that springs to mind is the Tenkai palm (Or did that start as a coin move and get used in cards?)
Jonathan Townsend
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Sol Stone has a great turnover move that some folks use to show 'both' sides of a gaff.

Holding onto a pile of coins, spreading them and counting them are not so much a part of what most folks do with coins.

There are some 'Open Travelers', 'Visitor' and mexican turnover type routines and methods around. You might want to check with David Neighbors about some of these.

-And yes, the wildcard plot has been done with coins.
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Something weird I played with for a little bit was a false count of 3 coins as 4 using an Elmsley type of count. I gave up on it though because I didn't feel it looked natural enough. Give it a try and tell me what you guys think about it.
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Pick a coin any coin.

Here are some Nearly Normal Ideas.

1. Double lift (using as Sue Ellen calls that coin has a hat on.

2. May the fourze (force) be with you.

3. Color changes

4. Transpositions

5. ?????

I agree the wild coin is a great plot.

(My favorite card version is by Max Maven called something like Tabular Rosa. June 1992 Linking Ring)

I got a chance to thank Mr. Maven in person at the IBM convention in KC. (It was awesome!)

Lately I have been going into coin routines after doing some card magic. With "palms of aluminum-(a nearly normal, softer and gentler approach to coin magic)

Back to my nearly normal routine.

First you start with (from palm out)

C.P'd a dime, penny, nickle, quarter, english half penny.

But enough about me.

I look forward to reading more ideas on this thread.

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I use what I refer to as a "Versatile Coin Control" in one of my Fingertip Coins Across routines, to set-up for the last coin. It is, obviously, the same thinking as Frank Simon's "Versatile Spread Control", applied to a fan of coins.
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Hey Matt, you were supposed to keep that idea a secret! Smile

Anyway, to all those who are wondering, I have seen Matt's idea in action and it's very cool.

We can also talk about using coin moves with cards. Any ideas?
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Not to worry Frank - I did not tip the VCC. I merely suggested it (and one application) to interested parties, and I see no harm in that. Do not be disconcerted at my imponderous revelation - the exact handling, which is nefariously deceptive, remains enshrouded in mystery.

And if we're going to discuss coin moves with cards as well, then I must add that I have a few handlings of "Fingertip Cards Across" - 3-Fly with Cards - which employ variants (or 'card analogues') of coin moves.
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not so much coins,

But the elsmley count works great with note (bills).

you can count 3 as four or even hide a different denomination.
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Gregg Web has published an Elmsley count with coins in his series at allmagic.com. It is very interesting, although some may question whether it's a "natural" way to count or display coins. Others may question whether there is any concensus on that topic (i.e. or does "anything go"?)

Of course, Michael Ammar has published a false count for coins that relies upon larger tossing motions and sound illusions, I believe it appears in Richard's Almanac?

The "double lift" for coins was published by David Roth in the context of one of his later wildcoin routines, one in which coins are removed from a purse. (I use the move in my "Coercive Purse" routine, but I got it from him.)

Dan Harlan has an "ambitious coin" routine in which a copper coin rises up through a stack of silver coins one step at a time. See his "Premium Blend" DVD's

Dai Vernon's "Spellbound" was at least partially inspired by Vernon's attempt to capture the effect of a color change with coins.

The "Assembly" plot is much clearer and simpler in the Yank Hoe or Al Schneider coin routines than the ace assemblies.

Recently, there has been interest in applying the mechanics and the psychology of Anneman's "Jinx Switch" to coins. See the work of Tommy Wonder, Jonathan Townsend, and others.

The idea of using two c/s coins and displaying them ala the "two card monte" and/or "optical monte" moves has already been explored by Jules DeBarros, and before him, Victor Farelli.

The Hofzinser gaffed card switch we now refer to as the "wildcard move" (which is featured in the Allerton two-card trick) is the same move coinmen rely on when performing with a c/s coin.

Equivoque with coins is a fertile, and under-explored area. Christian Chelman's simple prediction effect comes to mind, as well as the "invisible penny" prediction. I have some new work in this area, to be released at a later date.

Gamblers know the method of faro shuffling two stacks of casino chips. It's one-handed, and very pretty. No magical uses that I'm aware of, though.

Here are some thoughts that may or may not strike you as accurate:

Card magic is easier than coin magic because when you get ahead of your audience with cards, they can't tell. The deck provides a "safety zone" which conceals your preparations. In coins, an Okito box can provide a similar safety zone, as can a coin purse, or a playing card used as a cover. One easy way to translate a card effects into coin effects is to use a recepticle as the deck.

For some reason, cards through the table will never be as effective as coins through the same table.

Al Baker's version of the "Haunted Pack" with coins was printed recently in Genii. I suggest it is more direct, and much less contrived than its pasteboard relatives. (The selected coin crawls out of a pile of change on the table.)

Henry Hay's "Coins to Pocket" is superior in many ways to the card versions of this classic. Unlike cards, coins have mass and make sounds, and in the Hay routine the audience hears each coin arrive in your pocket.

Matt, the application of the Simon control sounds interesting. I hope we'll hear more about it later.
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Chris "linkster" Watson
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Wow... all this stuff to try...so little time to practice !!

That simon control does sound good, what is the card version published in?

Let me know if anyone masters daryl's hotshot cut with coins, can I recommend some good public liability insurance before taking it out to show people though ;-D
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On 2003-07-24 12:59, Chris "linkster" Watson wrote:
Let me know if anyone masters daryl's hotshot cut with coins, can I recommend some good public liability insurance before taking it out to show people though ;-D


LOL! You guys can come to me. I'm an insurance broker and I'm sure we can find an insurance company willing to cover you!
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This morning, I was at a workshop on Dual Diagnosis and Co-Morbidity.

While there I was playing with a few toys/er coins.

Has anyone ever played with the concept of producing different size coins from the Tenk. Palm or back clip?

I was playing around with a nickle, penny and dime. Starting with them in Tenkai.(to some by Gosh- LOL)

So far when I added the quarter the success rate went way down.

For years I have been doing it from classic P. (with half,quarter, nickle, penny, dime)but after reading about the thread on card moves with coins I thought about all those stage manipulators producing cards.(On all those T.V. Specials and lately at the IBM Convention in KC.
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On 2003-07-24 12:59, Chris "linkster" Watson wrote:

That simon control does sound good, what is the card version published in?



You can find it in his book, "Versatile Card Magic".
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On 2003-07-23 16:54, Curtis Kam wrote:
Dan Harlan has an "ambitious coin" routine in which a copper coin rises up through a stack of silver coins one step at a time. See his "Premium Blend" DVD's


Curtis, I just spent a week with Dan Harlan at The Sorcerer's Summer Safari Magic Camp, and his Ambitious Coin routine FLOORED everyone! It's a BEAUTIFUL close-up effect!

http://www.sorcerers-safari.com

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Dan Harlan has an "ambitious coin" routine in which a copper coin rises up through a stack of silver coins one step at a time. See his "Premium Blend" DVD's


Does anyone know which volume of Premium Blend has the ambitious coin routine? Dan Harlan also told me it's on there, but when I check Web descriptions on the DVDs, I don't see it. Thanks in advance!
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In terms of applying coin moves to cards, Jon Armstrong has a move that does this. It's called the Versatile Sandwich, and it's kind of like a ha ping chin with cards.

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Hi,
Dan, Routine was first printed up in "The Minotaur" Volume6 #2 June 1994 it's called "Rising Dough"
It's also on Vol6 of the P. blend dvds

I've been doing this routine since 94 as a follow up to Roger Klause's coins across (Triple Play)from his book "In Concert"

I take out the coins for "Triple Play" and a chinese coin. I set the chinese coin a side and do Roger's routine then hand out the chinese coin and do "Rising Dough" and if you know the routine then at this point the spect. has handled all the coins it's a great follow up.

Best
Joe

Hi All,

Almost forgot, Joe Rindfleisch has a Coin routine called "Ambitious Coin" it's his take on Dan Harlan's "Rising Dough" but with no gaff!

You can find it in "Apocalypse" Vol 18 #5 may 1995 Joe Rindfleisch one man issue.

Best
Joe
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