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jimvines
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You could always borrow 4 quarters, magically change them into half dollars if you prefer working with those. Then change the halfs into a $1 bill and hand it back to the spectators. I agree that using props supplied by spectators can be very strong... and if you change their things into something else and give it back to them to keep, they'll remember it.
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WoodRat
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If the magic is about the moment you create and share with the audience, I don't think borrowing coins makes much difference at all.
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Mb217
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Again, I agree here with WRat pretty much. While it is nice to involve the spec by using his own coins, you really don't have to as in the greater analysis it doesn't make all that much difference. What makes the most difference is what YOU do with the coins while they are in your hands. The specs will remember most the magic they see and experience with the coins, whether they get theirs back or get to examine yours in the end. Just my 2cents but do what feels best to you.

Heck, you might not want to use quarters but that's about the best you'll get from specs as already mentioned...With that, suppose you ask for a few quarters to do a coins across and one of them is noticeably very dark and old in contrast to the others that are shiny? Guess you gotta do something else right? Smile Carry your own 3-4 halves that will always look pretty much alike and you'll never have a problem. Even let the spec examine the coins before and after, they won't miss that you didn't use their coins. In fact that dynamic is not even an issue until you make it such. Smile
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MB,

I am guessing that is your opinion based on your own experience. However you cannot make those statements categorically for everyone. We all have different audiences and see different responses. I would guess that there are few coin magicians - particularly hobbyists like myself - who have had the same exact types of reaction from their spectators. I pretty much know when I start if the current spectators will likely react better to me using their own coins as opposed to me pulling out coins that are not familiar to them.

I understand that your specs are often people you meet on the streets of New York. Mine are more often friends, family, or friends to them. I just don’t think you can make your statements universally for all of us.

Thank you.

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Well, since I live in euro region best I can hope for are 50cents, since they are the biggest and have roughest edges. But I agree with J-Mac, it really depends of the audience you are performing to. Like him I mainly perform to people I somehow know, or who mu friends know etc. and thus I usually can get any coins I need.
But best reactions that I have got are from when I perform single coin routine, to a single person, with hes/her coin. For performances with more people or effects with more coins I use my own.
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Jim, I didn't, hence the use of "...Just my 2cents but do what feels best to you." I do not suppose in the least to "...make [such] statements universally..." for all of anybody. I was just giving an opinion, one not meant to necessarily instruct but to somewhat enlighten.

Incidentally, I not only do magic for people I meet on the streets but for friends and family as well (I have friends and family too). Smile I wasn't trying to give people any such edict as to when and when not to cross the street here, just lending the only experience I can lend - my own. Smile

Of course situations can be different but the dynamic of using either spectator coins or your own will work just as well on family and friends as it does on people you meet here and there IMHO. Smile I have done these things both ways and concluded what I believe to be a valid-enough explanation as to what I stated. But again, do whatever feels best to you or that you believe holds more magic in it for your specs. It's all good. Smile
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Nicholas young
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I think this is a very interesting topic. Personally I think it depends on the routine and the context. To me it is not a question of producing or borrowing (you could always borrow one and multiply to four) but rather if they are familiar with the coins or not.
While I agree that during the effect the spectators are not wondering about the coin type, but it will play a role psychologically when they start looking for a method and conclude that they are "just tricked coins", which is much less likely if they are recognizable or even better when they are borrowed.
Some routines are open to foreign coins though if it is supported by the premise. But I think a lot of the strength is lost when using foreign coins and just saying "I use these because they are more visible". I guess if you are american it makes more sense, but what the heck would I as a european be doing with old american dollars which are twice the size of any "normal" coin...

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