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Does anyone have any experience with the newer MAK Steel Chair Suspension Deluxe? ( http://www.abbottmagic.com/Chair-Suspens......0704.htm ) Is this simply an excuse to raise the price or does it really have some enhancements? How does this compare with the Mephisto version? My apology if this has been previously discussed as I could not find anything when searching.

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Dan,

I am not sure if there is anything different than that it can hold more weight. It looks like my chair suspension but mine can only hold 140 pounds. What I hate seeing is a plastic cheapy stool infront of an expensive prop. The chair suspension looks nice but I am not sure it is worth $920. For that I can buy a Magellan Master Levitation and only lug around 20 pounds of equipment and not the 50 pounds this looks like.

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I have the first version of MAKs. The new one seems to be more secure because the chair support is 100% steel. That is why it can support more weight. Maybe the board support is easier to hide now because it does not need to be as long, not sure. Maybe both chairs look identically the same. There was a noticeable difference in the first version.

I do have the Mephisto Version too. The hidden b***d is more longer than MAKs. That is why her legs were hanging slightly down in the video. The Mephisto Version is easy to set up with no angle problems in front of a crowd.

If you want to perform the illusion with kids more, select MAKs. If you rather select adults, go with the Mephisto Version.
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It looks like the G chair is larger where the extra metal is added. I think the audience will say something negative.
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Thank you ... great questions. Does anyone actually have one of these that might be able to comment? I had an older MAK and didn't like the slight sag ... Does the additional steel eliminate that? And to Jay's point, does the enhancements flash and stand out?

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If you're going to spend this kind of money, get the European Suspension.

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I agree with Jim on this. The new mak version is ok but if you are putting out the money, the European model is better in my humble opinion.

In regards to sag, the main reason why any sag is shown in some of the models is from the performer not realizing the proper positioning of the helper on the illusion itself. With proper positioniong, there should never be any sag. If the board sags without anyone on it, then check your connections. if the connections are correct, send the illusion back because it should not be that way.

Hope this helps.

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Why do so many suspensions look like the helper is supporting the weight of their head alone? Are they? It looks very uncomfortable for the helper (and every one watching).

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Yes, they are having to hold their head up unsupported. I agree with you, Mary.

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Are there any US dealers presently handling the European Chair Suspension?

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In the past, http://www.hocus-pocus.com has carried it. I just checked and did not see it on the site. But it might be worth a phone call to see if it will be back in stock.
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How do you all transport your chair suspensions? With my prior version, I had an industrial type cloth bag that would hold everything for transport. I includedthe bagwhen I sold my chairs. Is there something else commercially avaialble?

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Mary and James: That is what is a misconseption with the chair suspension illusion. There is no reaosn to have the person or child holding their head out straight. In fact, I gently have them lay their head back and down naturally. It is not akward nor does it hurt. It is a natural position and a calming factor. There is also no tension this way.

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Matt Fore uses a small stand for the adult to lay their head on. That is the most comfortable way for adults. That is what I was thinking about adding to my Chair Suspension.
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The best one made is by MAK the way to solve all the problems is handeling,the child should be no older than eight years old and placed on there side not on thier back. This way they are comfortable and part of the performance and it makes for better photo ops,
Here is how I perform it http://www.youtube.com/embed/5pS1lVgU5Q0

If your levitating someone larger go to a larger prop!!! this one is for Kiddies. Use a Walter Blainey suspension or go to even the way better GAMOLO levitation used by Siegfried & Roy for 30 Years, that will levitate a 500 puond TIGER.i hope this is helpful.
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Ok this is just a pet peeve from a guy who knows and loves this illusion more then anything. lol

DO NOT EVER BUILD A CONTRAPTION OR EXTENTION ON YOUR CHAIR SUSPENSION SO THEIR HEAD CAN LAY ON IT!!!!

There I have said it. lol If you do this, you are defeating the entire premise of the illusion. It not only looks wrong, but it is totally not needed in the first place.

What we must remember is this is a "suspension" and not a levitation. In a suspension, the person is suspended at some point of the body. For example the broom suspension there is the support of the body under the arms. In the chair suspension, the proper illusion is that the helper is suspended totally outward from the point in their neck.

This is a proper position and sells the illusion. If you ad an extension onto the the illusion for them to lay their head, you kill this illusion. Not only that, but the audience sees this extension and realizes it is totally unatural. It is supposed to be 2 chairs and a board. Why would you have some funny attachment on the chair? it's not logical in their minds.

Arthur: thanks for sharing the video. This is nto a personal attack on you by any means at all. I just must say that I would never perform the chair suspension with the child on their side as you have presented it. It also is not the proper illusion and takes away from the power of it.

Also, doing it sideways you can only do it if the child is your own hlper and has been properly trained by you. You would never get away with this positioning if you had to use the birthday child. The reason is a simple one. The position is not comfortable and it is also not stable. A child on their side will tend to want to rock or move in pisitoon through out the illusion.

Also, if you have a child on their side, they are facing the audience. They will indeed want to keep their eyes open and watch the audience. This makes for an awkwardness because the child will want to move. The child's hand is also in the wrong place. The child's hand is touuching the board. if you placed a birthdya child in this position, the child will naturally hold on to the board you are trying to remove simply out of fear.

The biggest mistake I see is that you have HUGE sag in the illusion. there should be no sag at all if the positioning of the assistant is done properly. The child is too far forward. Thw weight distribution should be such that the child is much father up towards the anchorage chair. by doing this the weight distribution is proper and you get no sag at all.

I am not saying this to get anyone mad. I just say it because I want to be sure that folks get the most out of this illusion by performing it correctly. If you do, you will get much bigger reactions with less problems.

I know this is a very small photo and I apologize for it. however, you will see a large and older child on the suspension but also you will notice there is no sag at all. The child is 100% starait out. I achieve this simply through proper positioning.

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Hi Kyle, I am looking at getting one, not sure if it's safe for preschool children; and the photo shows the audience sitting position, looking at the chair, is there an angle issue?
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Francis: You would not want to perform this with anyone under the age of 5. However anyone around 5 and up you can do this with without too much of an issue. The audience sees nothing if set up properly. I cover off on a lot of this in my cheir suspension ebook as well as tips and techniques for set up and positoning etc.

One thing I do is that I angle the anchorage chair away from the audience just a bit. My Lefler table and the chair suspension form a sort of "v" formation. Also, you will notice the positioning of the child's head. it hangs down naturally as it should. because of this, this also helps hide the gimmick completely.

http://kpmagicproducts.com/Chairs.html?40b408e8

If you have any questions at all, please let me know. I would be happy to go over anything with you. It is a great illusion to add to any children's show and adds greta value.

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Thank you so mich Kyle.
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Francis: My pleasure. If you or anyone has any questions at all, please let me know. I am always eager to help anyone with this.

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