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I have now been using the new MAK Chair Suspension Deluxe in shows for about 6 months and can comfortably say that this is, by far, a significant improvement over the previous model. I have had no difficulty presenting this and have not experienced any sag when the chair is removed. I also seem to have comfortable latitude in the child's position without worry of carefully balancing them before removing the board. I do not have any experience with the European model to offer any comparison there.

The take home is that this has performed well over 6 months of active use.

Dan.
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On 2011-01-02 01:31, JamesinLA wrote:
Yes, they are having to hold their head up unsupported. I agree with you, Mary.


That's why I use the old Abbott's Chair Suspension. The board remains in place and there's no need for a suspicious cloth. They get head support from the board.

The trouble with the old Abbott's version is that it requires that stops be installed in the chairs to make the illusion usable. Otherwise, the board and chairs are out of alignment.

I feel pain just watching most chair suspensions being presented, with the volunteer's head hanging backwards.
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Alan ... Thanks for your insights. I am very happy as I don't have any worry about having the kids head dangling with this new MAK. I just performed it twice today and continue to notice my comfort at a whole new level. It does seem a lot heavy to carry but it is a trade off that I am happy to make.

Dan.
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Does this have to be pre setup or can you set it up in front of your audience? I'm taking about the regular maker version.
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It does not have to be pre set up at all. I personally prefer to preset it up as it 1) looks more natural because they see it the entire show and so when I get to it, it does not look like anything new or different to them and 2) it makes it so much easier to get into the illusion knowing it is set right and secure and safe.

If you are going to set it up during the show, you MUST practice it a lot and make sure that you 1) cover your angles and the gimmick 2) you do it with ease so it looks natural and not like you are trying too hard to attach something and 3) you simply MUST make sure it is connected correctly and your safety checks are all met.

This can be done easily, but you have to work and practice it until it becomes smooth and a natural movement in the set up. It is NOt something you want to do for the first time at your first gig with it.

The biggest thing with the chair illusion is simply understanding it well enough to ensure safety at all times. never rush into it simply because you feel you have to. Study it and understand it and it can be a very great illusion that adds value to your show.

As most know, I love the illusion and perform it hundreds of times every year. it is why I wrote a book on the subject so as to help others with the illusion and learning skills and technique for performing it correctly.

If anyone has any questions, PLEASE let me know.

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Thanks so much Kyle. If I were using this just for kids shows, would the magic maks regular version be alright, or would I need the deluxe model?
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Yes, if you are doing just kids shows and using only a child helper, that regular version is more then fine. it would be all you need. I do it with a child all the time, works great and totally a value add to all my shows.

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Kyle,

You appear to have the same chair suspension as I do. Do you have any susgesions on how to transport it? I have a nice bag but the long board won't fit in it. I know you perform it hundreds of times a year, so you must have a method to keeping it damage free.

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Hi Ken,

I actually have my vehicle (Toyota highlander) set up so the back seats are always down. There is space between the front seat and back seat area that the entire thing fits right into. It is protected and works great for me. Now another idea people utilize is to get a keyboard case from a music store and buy one at a size that will fit the chair suspension. This usually works pretty well also.

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Thanks so much for the advice and help on this matter Kyle. I will be buying this effect for my shows. You are right it will add value to my show.
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I use two flat nylon cargo straps,..lay them out on the floor,place the two chairs one atop the other with the tops of the chairs at oposite ends on the straps,then the board with the "secret part facing" towards the floor over the top of one of the chairs and tighten up the straps.You can pick up the whole thing as one unit.If you position the Drape correctly,knowone will see the gimmick during transportation.Mike
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Bowers: You are most welcome. Let me know how I can be of further help. I have an ebook out all on the chair suspension illusion. it might help you out a lot and give you some better insight. You can read up on it at Http://www.kpmagicproducts.com

Let me know how I can be of help to you with this illusion.

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Thanks kyle
I just purchased the mak model version.
do you know if it comes with decent instructions.
I will be checking your ebook out.
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Bowers: I am not sure what instructions it comes with these days. A large part why I wrote my ebook on the chair suspension was simply because 1) the instructions I got were a joke and 2) I could never find any information on it covering set up, breakdown, how to work it, routine it etc. This is why I studied it myself, researched it and wrote the ebook for a friend and then for others to utilize.

Let me know if you have any questions on the illusion at all. I can certainly get started working with you on basic principles and ideas for it etc. it would my pleasure to do so.

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Kyle thanks again for you help. I'll probably pm you after I receive this and look it over. I'm very excited about having this for my shows thanks again.
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Todd: My pleasure my friend. Please let me know how I can help and if you have or want any information on my ebook for it.

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DO NOT EVER BUILD A CONTRAPTION... SO THEIR HEAD CAN LAY ON IT!!!!

Wow, this is the first time I've ever disagreed with my friend Kyle! I want to say we have a different opinion on a head rest.

I have had kids afraid and reluctant to let their head sag, I've also had instances where they were off center ever so slightly because of this hang over center line balancing tilting the illusion (twice: but my foot held the unit steady). For me I have a tiny head rest which does not take away from the effect for the kids. It still wows them and makes me feel more comfortable about the balance distance overhang.

It is small enough to be hidden by the child's hair, it takes nothing away from the illusion, and the child feels safer with it. To me this is more important than one ADULT person saying they know how the trick is done. DUH, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure how this illusion is done for an adult. For the kids, it always amazes them.

Both Kyle and I love this chair suspension and I have a stage version which allows me to remove the second chair using another illusion prop.

As with all illusions, each must tweet it to make it suit them and their routines.

I also added a small bracket which holds the board in place so the first applause is after the chair is removed and the board is held in place. The second applause is after the board is removed. (The Kodak Moment) And, the third applause if for the child after the illusion.

-Dennis

Posted: Nov 7, 2011 6:30am
What I didn't like about the Abbott's version video on page one is:

1. The distance the assistant was hanging over.
2. There was no sag in the cloth like Mak Magic giving the impression of the bottom of the person.
3. Obviously the Price!
4. The unit weight factor. (We had many discussion on Sound Systems and weight. 50 lbs up a flight of stairs, in and out several times a day, etc., is exhausting especially for us older magicians.)
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Well we certainly can agree to disagree on this one my friend. =) This is one area that I am pretty adamant about. I know folks think they need a head rest and that is solves a problem. The fact is that a head rest is never needed if the illusion is performed correctly and with the proper set up, proper positioning and proper patter. Let me clarify why in regards to my strong opinion aginst the usage of a head rest.

I perform this illusion literally hundreds of times every single year over the past 10 years or more. I probably perform this more then anything else I own. In all of those shows, I have not had a single kid complain about the head being a problem at all. The reason behind this is because of how I present the illusion, my routining and the psychology that is involved.

Too many entertainers THINK that the child will be uncomfortable and so they go the route of a head piece thinking they are doing a favor. Instead they are killing the look and feel of how the illusion is supposed to come across.

Another problem many performers have is that their patter is worded in such a way that it evokes a negative response in the child. Many folks will state things like, “don’t be scared. Don’t be nervous. Are you ok?” These types of patter gets the child thinking that maybe somehting is wrong or that they should feel that way. It is almost like telling a child not to touch a light switch. If you tell them not to, they tend to want to. So I am mindful of my patter and what I say to th e child because it does make a huge difference.

If any child is off center or not in the proper positioning, NEVER go on with the illusion. Off center and unproper positioning should never happen. This should always be a part of the performers safety checks and the understanding of balance points. If it is not correct, make sure to fix it before proceeding with the illusion.

The head rest just goes against how the illusion is supposed to be presented. This is a suspension and many folks forget that. In a suspension the audience needs to see and feel like the person is suspended at some point. In the broom suspension illusion, that point is the arm pit. On the chairs, that point should be the neck of the child. With the head hanging gently down, this sells the illusion properly. It gives the natural appearance of the point at which the child is being suspended.

Not only does this look proper, but it is the way the original illusion was designed. It just looks more natural and sells better to an audience. The head rest idea (as nice as it is to think you are helping yourself and the helper) takes away form the power of the illusion. It just looks awkward.

With the head hanging gently down, it not only makes for a better illusion, but it serves a purpose. The head hanging gently hides the gimmick for you. This allows you a much wider angle range. In fact I can do it surrounded by doing it this way if I had to.

The biggest concern is that the child is hurting. This is not the case at all. Children are used to having their heads like this. Am not forcing it down or causing them pain by doing so. It gently hangs over naturally and comfortably. It also keeps them more steady, and helps them to not look upwards at what is going on. Kids on the playground have their heads like this all the time. They are also not in this position for anything more then a minute tops. It also gives the proper appearance that the helper has been magically hypnotized or is in a magical state of rest. With the head rest, their is much too much a feeling of tension.

The other problem with head rests of any type, shape and size is that they can be easily seen. The audience sees it from the start and it looks unnatural. It should be 2 chairs and a board and a cloth. Nothing more and nothing less. A head rest seen by the audience makes them question it. Why is it there and what does it do? It makes the illusion look more like a magic prop.

The other problem is that with the head on the rest, even during presentation, the audience can clearly see the head rest. No matter how you try and hide it, it can still be seen. The audience knows it is still there. They saw it at the beginning and know the head can not stay out like that without it. They also can see upwards as most are seated. With the head hanging naturally downward, this covers this angle very well.

Actually I have adults amazed at this illusion. No lie. They freak out about it. The reason once again is in presentation and proper handling of the illusion. When done well, it really can and does fool adults. Never downplay that point.

I agree in that every performer must tweak things to their desire. The problem is that there is also a right and wrong way of presenting an illusion. In my humble opinion, the head rest is a not needed item that hurts the illusion from being as powerful as it can be.

Just my opinions is all and certainly not meant as an attack on my good friend dennis or anyone. Just something I feel strong about is all. =)

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Kyle, I do not take offense to your comment at all. As I said we just have this one difference in opinion.
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Not a problem at all my friend. =) Hope what you stated and what I statd gets folks thinking.

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