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Ha kyle
got my mak chair suspension today. very nice indeed.made very well also. even the paint job is good.im going to be busy this weekend with shows.but next week I'm going to start practicing with it.let my grandson help me out with this one.but the
instructions not so great.ill be ordering your ebook next week also.thanks again for your help.
your friend todd
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DO NOT EVER BUILD A CONTRAPTION... SO THEIR HEAD CAN LAY ON IT!!!!


Wow, this is the first time I've ever disagreed with my friend Kyle! I want to say we have a different opinion on a head rest.

This is the first time I am going to have to agree with my friend Dennis. Yes I do agree with you Dennis. But I would consider it for adults. After I started using my adult version, I noticed a lot of adults had a strain on there neck. I still noticed the strain even when some of the older adults got off. I can see why Matt Fore uses a head rest for the adults. I am going to have one made so I can use it for recommended adults.
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Once again, the usage of a head rest goes against the nature of the illusion. Not trying to be mean here or anything. just trying to prove a strong point. The head rest of any sort defies the point of the illusion. it makes the illusion not play nearly as well and makes it look awkward at best.

No matter how small the head rest is, the audience will see it at the beginning of the illusion and so they will no the head is still resting on something during the illusion itself. This takes away from the visual effect and power the illusion can have.

Also, there is no great way of hiding the headrest form the audience. They will just see it. The head rest also causes focus exactly in the area you do NOT want to have focus on. It brings the eyes and attention to the "hot" area instead of rediretcing that focus away from it.

Just my opinion is all but the usage of a head rest on this illusion (whether for kids or adults) just takes away from the illusion as a whole.

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Kyle, as this came up in the other thread too, I have to say I totally agree with you. It doesn't look right to have the head supported and it really isn't uncomfortable on the assistant if their properly lined up on the suspension. My adult female assistants were the ones that confirmed that when I put them on two different models of chair suspensions I had. (Sandy Rhoades model and European Chair Suspension.)

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Michael: Yep I am adament about this. It simply does not look right with using any form of head rest and goes against the entire nature of what makes that chair suspension so deceptive and entertaining.

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The cool thing about a head rest, you have the option to use it or not.
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Yes you do have the option, but it still (in my opinion) doesn't make it correct.

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Dennis, when kyle gets our age he will know more about what we are talking about.
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Mike: No disrespect to you or Dennis at all. you guiys I highly respect and are good friends. I just strongly feel (from experience) that using a head rest in any way fior the chair suspension illusion not only kills the illusion but actually goes against what the illusion is supposed to look like to the audience. it just is not needed is all.

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I agree with Kyle. As soon as you put something under the head, it tips off the audience how the effect works. The head being allowed to hang freely makes it look like everything is completely unsupported.
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I agree with Kyle, it is not needed, however, I prefer to use it.

Kyle is one of the good guys, who does know what he is talking about. I just don't put as much weight on the secret, as I do on the presentation and how I feel about the way I perform it. It also works well when I remove the other chair and levitate the assistant.

I know Kyles method can't do that. (It a stage illusion when I do this)
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Right but then it is not a chair suspension at all. You change it into a levitation. Nothing wrong with this because it is fun and exciting for your audiences. However, if you levitate the child, then the illusion is not a suspension at all. Just made to look like one at the start.

Thanks for the great discussion here. I am really enjoying this. The reason I wrote the chair suspension ebook was simply to make sure that folks performing this illusion have tips, techniques and safety ideas to be able to read so that can make a better and informed decision when purchasing and working with the illusion. If it helps even one person, then I am happy. =)

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I see Kyle is strong about not changing his mind. The only one who can get him to change his mind is Dave.
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Mike: Love ya brother but I know this illusion more then anything I own. Use of a head rest is just not correct and ruins the illusion. It really is as simple as that. Not trying to be mean or evil or hurt anyone. Just making a point is all. =)

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How about if you were going to suspend Dave?
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Then I would first use a Bill Smith model (made precisely for usage with adults). I would then preselect him ahead of time and let him know the illusion and what will happen. I then would still have his shoulders parallel to the anhcorage chair and his head hanging gently off the side. this combination work work perfectly, look as it should and get great reactions without the risk of safety.

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I then would still have his shoulders parallel to the anhcorage chair and his head hanging gently off the side.

I never seen someone with their head hanging off the side before. I would consider that to be dangerous because of the crimp in their neck.
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If you have not seen the illusion performed with the head hanging gently down, then that magician is simply performing the illusion wrong. This happens so many times. it is one reaosn why I researched the illusion and wrote the book on it. Too many magicians are not performing the illusion correctly. The position does not hurt at all.

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The statement that "The head being allowed to hang freely makes it look like everything is completely unsupported" doesn't bear close scrutiny in my opinion. The whole point of the illusion is that the human body is being magically "supported" or "suspended." If the rest of the body is being acted upon by a magical force that causes it to be suspended, then why isn't the head also similarly "suspended?" Does the magic stop at the neck?

If the body were "really" suspended, the whole body would be suspended.

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I have not had a single kid complain about the head being a problem at all.

Hi,
do you really think a young child is going to complain in the middle of the show and in front of thier friends.

personaly I would never perform the chair suspension for the following reasons all of which I have seen happen to other magicians.

1. kids get scared and want to get off
2. kids move causing the thing to tip and the kid slide down the plank to the floor thank god the board did not disengage from the chair

I know you can reduce the risks of this happening but even if you are doing this thousands of times every year ....it only has to tip once and hurt a child .....maybe you are happy to take a chance with a childs safety ...but not me thank you I could not.
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