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So after umpteen emails and phone calls too many to count, a meeting was arranged at a top Hotel in Mayfair.

The outcome, that a top TV team intend to do a fly doc on the life of a showman.
The small print pointed out that exposure of methods, practice sessions, set up and breakdown should be available for footage plus the fullest of details on the sideline income (Svens, swag and zibbs) As well !

Coverage would be worldwide and ongoing over a six month period.

What would you charge to give up the lot to the masses ???? Think at least six figures and some.

We are all supposed to have our price and if I don't do it someone else will !!!

What would you do and if yes what cost would you put in ???

Bearing in mind Im not a rich man and also very old !

Ken.
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Then it's a retirement plan, more or less. What income would you need monthly to retire? Figure out what sort of nest egg would generate that. I'd say maybe $250,000 total. If it's an episodic reality show, think of a per episode price. I think the Learning Channel here pays people around $40,000 per episode for their popular shows like "Jon & Kate + 8". I'm not sure where I read that figure, but I believe it's in the ballpark for this kind of thing.
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Over 100 peeps and not one comment regards exposure !!

The magicians (New prog on BBC1) Uses this same attitude with so called celebs being let in on the know how.

With exposure there will be no secrets so in the end no magic,,,self sacrifice is not sensible but pieces of silver must rule in the end so to prostitute or not ???

Guess Im too protective.

Ken.
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Exposure happens all the time. Sure, there are television shows that talk about techniques. There are also lousy performers, who give secrets away, every time they go on stage. There are authors who discuss technique in their books (some of whom have won praise for so doing).

Fortunately, people still want to be fooled by magicians, and amazed by folks like us. The nature of live performance is so much more than anything TV will ever be able to do, that those people will still come to see us work. And pay for it.

Does that mean that I'd go out and show technique on a TV show? I doubt it.
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Quote em High...you can always come down...But nothin is more dis-heartening then knowing you left money on the table..

Go fer it...

P.S. If you hit BIG...can I borrow a few pounds?...I'm gettin Old too...and in this economy, I foresee only more of the same..Blanks!!...
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Jim, old? You're barely out of diapers!
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Speaking of.... a couple months ago got offered $800 to be flown to Italy for a Guinness TV Show. I told them MINIMUM 4 digit plus all expense paid PLUS my wife and baby must come along. Not disclosing actual amount, but this March/April I will be saying ciao alot.

"We're all prostitutes in one way or another, aren't we Mr. Finklestein?" - Beerfest.
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I don't think too much about exposure I guess, I'm a ventriloquist and every 8 year old kid in the world knows how it's done.

I don't see exposure having as much impact on the art as magicians fear. General Public has a very short memory and can be shown a tt silk vanish and six months later not remember and be amazed. If you're serious about this Kondini, I figure you already know what you're going to do.
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I must admitt its very tempting and yes the money is huge,,,but and this is important to me, the ammount of info that they would be entitled to is unlimited. That which has given me a wonderful life and living exposed, making others who could also make a good life from this biz obselete.

Of great interest is the zibbs, cos for all their knowledge they just do not know the nitty gritty.

The small print is being drawn up with a meeting booked for January 10th.

I am still undecided with my wallet saying yes and my heart no.
I appreciate all of your input here.

Ken.
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If you decline...Please give them my contact info...I/we could give/tell them all I/we know and I doubt many could pull it off...(who wants to play Blanks)....

In short..I can bought..(at the right price)..In reality...If you don't do it...someone will...then all control is lost...

Sincerely
The Curator

P.S. of course a large "Finders" fee will be paid...
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You are correct, If I don`t then someone else will.

But I have to live with myself and proberly get stoned by the others in this line.

Will see how the small print pans out.

Ken.
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I think you are a stand-up Guy..E-mail all that you will reveal...I will reveal it here first...That way you are off the Hook...
Believe me...I have thicker Hide then John Strong....

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On 2011-01-04 07:22, Kondini wrote:
That which has given me a wonderful life and living exposed, making others who could also make a good life from this biz obselete.

I appreciate all of your input here.

Ken.


I would hope the exposure wouldn't have a huge impact. Kind of like the masked magician really isn't a big deal because the people that do watch pretty much just forget. Since you asked for input, here's mine.

I wanted a zibit for a couple years and was finally able to get one recently. I'm all set up now other than getting my signs made, which I'll be doing soon. It's an investment for me. I hope I get a chance to take it out before it gets exposed on worldwide television. Everyone who owns a zibit has made it a point to keep it a secret for many years. Doug himself says he could use the sales but he keeps it away from the general public. If he hasn't sold out I don't think anyone else should.

I don't envy your position, I honestly don't know what I would do. Best of luck to you whatever you decide to do, and best of luck to those in the biz if the exposure does have an impact.

George
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[quote]On 2011-01-04 20:07, Dr. Van Van Mojo wrote:
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Everyone who owns a zibit has made it a point to keep it a secret for many years. Doug himself says he could use the sales but he keeps it away from the general public. If he hasn't sold out I don't think anyone else should.


George


I Love Doug...so I wouldnt expose the Zibit plan either...
However I am positive that Ward and C.M., Tim Demmerer, Dennis York, John Strong, or myself don't care if you expose any or all of our plans..In fact we would be honored if you did...especially if you make a substantial profit...

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P.S. and No..I do not charge My Mother admission on Mothers Day!...
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If they're not in the know ,then you could feed them baloney Ken .....
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Wow Ken that is Super!!!! What's my cut??? haha Smile You can talk the Zibs without revealing the actuall skinny...
plus I can help in LOTS of ways and keep it close for the Zibiteers. However to all the Zibiteers out there...don't fret about a little publicity! It's ALL good. My staying off eBay is so that the stuff isn't readily available to BUY from the general public. Your show will not be affected if ken spills his beans.

However something is about to break World Wide in publicity for me as well (secret at this point)...it regards a recent stunt with the mers...it is a HUGE dream come true for me but you'll all be safe and can benfit from it as well. Wait and see!

Kondini's experience with my Zibits is a world beater since it involved the Royals and so many unbelievable high toned venues. http://history.grindshow.com There is no way I can ask Ken to fudge on that...it's part of his legasy...and frankly mine as well.

Great news Ken! As to exposure...tell that to every magician who SELLS Svengali Decks and Magic Tricks and sets on TV. Meh. A non-issue.


Oh...and Thanks Jim. Smile

by the way...to all those who show Higley's...nobody relates to that...they are not labled or signed. The Plan is all about the wording on your signage (banners) and the psychology at work. Talk to me if you have concerns...but they are mostly groundless...if you're out there kickin' butt...that won't change.
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Doug, you should switch off eBay to Etsy. Save you LOTS in fees. Etsy is .20 per listing and keeps it for 3 or 4 months. If your not already in it, check it out. Etsy is specific to hand made items and people are willing to pay top dollar for them.
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I do NOT sell on eBay or at any other public trough. Strictly to the community through either the magic Café or my restricted (performers only) facebook list. Smile
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I guess the question is what can you show without showing? Would what you show hurt your ability to be booked in the future? Or put other performers out of business? I don't know. However I did see an interesting quote today

“What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” – Mark 8:36

The bizarre thing is that it was at the beginning of the movie "Caligula" but it was from Netflix so it was an edited version.
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Everybody knows a Feegee Mermaid is BS and has been exposed again and again since the 1800's...most likey way before that since they have been shown since the 16th century. People that show my stuff, if working the system know they are not showing something purported to be real...just Strange. Doesn't matter a whit if folks think it's fake or not....and because THIS one is doesn't mean THAT one is etc.

I used to show one of Mark's mermaids right next to one of mine. I had a sign on his that said The Famous Hoax. Mine however had a Question mark sign. They assumed it must be the real one since I was honest about the other one. It doesn't matter! Like I say in the How-To, they can think it's a piece of fried chicken as long as you 'sell' it as something 'Strange', IT IS just what they paid to see.

As to losing souls...hogwash. It's about losing the green stuff. My secrets are for sale...just not to everybody and their uncle...and those so called 'secrets' are about the presentation word tricks and why they work. Not because of some mystical crap but so 5 people don't show up at the same date with the same show idea. I do try and protect those who bought the system. Smile
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