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I'm bored of using the 'oranges' final loads ala Gazzo and would like to have final loads that are different from most performers.

Do you have any good ideas for final loads?

Here were a few of mine:

- Each cup ends up full of sand.

- Small lemon under cup 1, kiwi under cup 2 and a large apple under cup 3. Then a melon under the hat.

- Action figures

- Small models of London tourist sites(Big Ben, the London eye etc)

Any ideas would be great,

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How about having 3 solid cups? You'd have to get a set gaffed, but sounds like it would play big...I think Paul Harris had something like this (Beenie Weenies?).
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Yeah, I was thinking of producing a solid wooden fill that was the exact size of the interior of the cups that I could load and show they were solid. I would have to paint the base copper colour.

I was also thinking about loading a stuffed childrens cuddly bear under each cup and then having a empty bowl under the hat and make a joke about Goldielocks having just run away with the porridge. What do you think.

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Check out Alex Elmsley's C&B routine as well; I read it in a Pallbearer's Review years ago, but I think he's also included it on his recent video/DVD set.

For a majority of the time, the cups are *mouth-up*; the final load turns out to be a cup (or cup*s*, I can't remember) full of salt!

The whole trick is done on a newspaper, to keep things tidy; after the trick is over, he lifts the newspaper off the table to pour the salt back in to the cups, but *there's more salt than three cups can hold*! Smile

Even if you don't use his routine as is, it's a great base for thinking Outside The Cup, as it were.
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Cheers Rich,

I considered using that kinda routine a little while ago but I figure that small particles, sand, salt or sugar could blow in the wind etc.

Thanks for the suggestion Rich.

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Probably having different fruit, rather than all oranges, increases the surprise. I think sand sounds great, but I wouldn't do it because it's not so practical. I always thought a glass of wine was very magical. But I've never done it.

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Multiple items are always a surprise. Depending on your audience you can use M&M's for kids, Flowers for the ladies, other items might be ball bearings (lots of small ones) For a large single load those horns used on kids bikes and trikes with the rubber bulb if you can find a small squat type in the party stores.

One of our local magicians has a final load after the standard balls, of a cascade of "diamonds" - very impressive.
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I guess my question would be who are you performing for? There are many things I do in my act that I get sick of. But, my audience never having seen it before really loves it.

Oranges are highly visible, too big to have been concealed in the hand (apparently), heavy enough not to blow around, portable enough to lug around, and tough enough to stand up to several days worth of shows.

They are a great final load and 99.9% of the people who see your show will have never seen a table act before. You will be memorable to them, very memorable.

I say stick with the oranges. They work a treat on the street.

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Sounds very magical. I was thinking about doing 2 oranges then just when the audience are expecting the 3rd produce something completly random such as a potato.
I would then do a few hat lines before showing the melon.

Hows it sound?

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Matthew,
It's an interesting idea to not reveal your hat load till your hat line. I would say "a few" hat lines might be stretching it. Timing at this point in your show is critical. I think it may be the most critical timing of the entire show (if you want to maximise your money). I read about one guy who finished his show, then added another comedy bit, and everyone just wandered away because the show was already over. He killed his hat. Watch the timing.

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M@T:

Sometimes an unexpected surprise can kill a multiple climax. Two oranges and then a potato might not be as good as three oranges. People have to stop and think for a half a second, and that can sometimes kill the mounting anticipation and it's release.

Listen to Danny. Changing something that works well just for the sake of being different is usually not a good idea.

If you do want to do something other than oranges, make it three different things--turnip, potato, fruit--that way there is not created a false expectation that is turned over by a gratuitous surprise that causes the spectators to stop and mentally "stumble" thereby losing the momentum of the multiple climaxes.
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Great point Whit!

It is like telling a joke and then stepping on the punch line. You deliver the punch line, and the audience is starting to react, and before they fully "get it" and respond, WHAM, you start off another one.

Flow and Timing is everything.

And changing something because you are tired of it, is certainly your right. After all, it is your act. But frankly, I prefer to let the audience tell me when to change it up.

I also fully agree with Danny as the Oranges are big and visible and seem too big to be "hidden". So they remain a great prop. And if you do a double load with oranges like Gazzo, then you really are rolling. My jaw dropped when I saw the second set of orange loads in his perfromance. One set was good, the second was flat out amazing. As a perfromer, he set the bar, then raised the bar, and then with the hat and melon, he really dropped the boom!

If you have a reason to change, then change. Or, if you always perrrom before the same people, maybe that is a reason to change it up ocassionally.

But I say, if it aint broke, don't fix it.

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There are some really good points here. I completly understand what Whit has said about the unexpected surprise killing a multiple climax.

I will probably try a few things out to see which works best in my act. Im not confident enough to do the double set of loads although this looks amazing the times I have seen it done.

Thank you all for the great suggestions,

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Try to find a theme with your loads. I am always a big fan of my magic "Making Sense" (if such a thing could be said.). I usually do my street act work for a Major League Baseball team, so my cups and balls routine uses the 1/2" mini baseballs for most of the routine. for the final cups loads I produce six 2 1/2" Baseballs from the cups ala gazzo's oragnes and for the final load a 1' Jumbo baseball from the hat.
Originally i used the melon as the final load but it did not have the same effect that the Jumbo ball does. Like whit said:
"Sometimes an unexpected surprise can kill a multiple climax. Two oranges and then a potato might not be as good as three oranges"
While the melon worked, keeping a good theme works well and will amaze them ten times more.

BTW M@T- The second set of loads is the easiest load in the world. They are so amazed by the firt three that I could load a pygmy elephant into a cup without them noticing.

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LOL- I guess so. I have just never had the guts to try the 2nd set! I will work on a theme and tell you how it goes. Smile
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Gee, I've been using three large rubber balls with metalic finishes on them (get them at Toys R Us for about $1.95 per.

Many people in the audience actually think they ARE ball bearings and really lose it, especially when I do a fast 3-ball juggle (1 pass only, I'm a lousy juggler)!

The ones I use are Silver, Red and Purple and look just like ball bearings, only bigger - they barely fit into the cups!

Then, while they are boggling at them, I load the BAG into the center cup, do the Cardini rollup move (cover of Magic a few years ago), do the juggle, put them down and go into the revelation of the BAG under the middle cup.

Plays REALLY well, if I do say so, myself.

With thanks to Jos Bema for the bag idea, even though we have never met.

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I use Gazzo's cups and instead of oranges use baseballs.

4 baseballs and a large softball.
However I'm switching over to a 'small' soccer ball with the final lines...

"Audience, watch the magic happen. (reveals) But if baseballs not your game, maybe you'll like (hat reveal) soccer."

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I've been using different color rubberband balls. You can custom make them to barely fit in your cup.

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I won't argue with either the oranges or baseball loads. They have been the favorites for greater magi than I.

Well...maybe I will. This is just my thing, but I always thought there was just a bit of monotony generated by the same loads.

I use three different loads as others have suggested, here. Lime, turnip and potato. I think there is opportunity for building comedy as a different surprise is produced from under each cup. This may seem like a small point, but, to me it adds to the effect. Occasionally, for a kicker, I will produce an orange that is too large for my cups (my cups are smaller than Gazzo's). Your fingers cover the orange as it is held against the bottom as you pound the bottom of the cup with your open hand. The orange appears to be forced out of the cup. If you have never tried this, it gets a great reaction.

I have a balls to hat routine in which I produce a coconut. It just seems so incongruous that it has a strong comedic effect. If, after draining the milk from the coconut, you let the meat inside dry out, you can then scrape it out from the drain hole. Now the coconut becomes very light in weight.

P.S. Michael Ammar has some great rubber fruit. Very realistic. Saves a lot of trips to the market.
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Patrick,

The only problem with the Fab Fruit by Michael Ammar is it's designed to be used with JP Cups (or similar sized cups).

Using FF in the Gazzo Cups just isn't a consistent size.

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