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Gidon New user Tacoma, Wa 80 Posts |
So here's the situation. I have a lot of good coin material that I'm always working on including Palms of Steel 2, Coins on Edge, Roth's stuff, a few Hooser dvds, Scott F. Guinn's book, and of course Bobo. But I need some newer stuff. Most of the selected effects that I have been working on from the above list I'm getting bogged down with. I'd like some new stuff as to give me a fresh taste of coins effects.
So here's the deal, which of the following do you think I should get next? -Palms of Steel 3 (I'm waiting for the first on DVD) -Knuckle Busters manuscripts (all three at once) -Coin Ovations (I'm gonna wait on the Coin Patriot) -Coinmagic -Unexpected Visitor Right now I think I'm leaning towards the Knuckle Busters stuff but I'm still unsure so share your views with me PLEASE!!! Thanks guys
Chris Harland
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Full Effect Loyal user Los Angeles 257 Posts |
How Fresh can you get....
POS II just came a few months ago.... Coins on Edge came out a few weeks ago... Hooser dvds came out last yr. Reeds Knuckle buster notes were printed a while go. Unexpected Visitor was printed a couple yrs ago. The material in CoinMagic book has been out for a couple of decades. what do you mean your Bogged down with some of the materail? The materaial you have now its plenty for an average coin worker. If you want to get more advanced try to make up your own routines, create your own magic that you can call yours.
"Running water never becomes stale, so keep flowing" - Immortal Dragon Bruce Lee
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thimblerig Loyal user Bellevue, WA 273 Posts |
I have to agree with Master Effect. You have a wealth of material already. If you are "bogged down," that is where you need to practice more, OR create an alternative handling that works for you to make the routine(s) work.
If you are looking to add to your library, any of the items are good, although there is more in Coinmagic than any of the others as a single source. You have also overlooked many other sources of coin material including Dr. Rubenstein's 3 DVD collection. OTOH, building a library is a good thing, so as to have more in your arsenal to refer to when trying to routine your own material or to verify sources on something you think might be original. Cordially, tr |
Mark Williams Special user Las Vegas, Nevada 513 Posts |
If you can purchase the updated version of Variations by Earl Nelson, I would highly recommend that you do so. He has some clever coin routines contained within the pages. And don't overlook the $1.50 Vanish, it's well worth learning. Hope this helps.
"Once is Magic!! Twice is an Education!!"
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Having a pile of material and some ability to get through the routines is a good thing.
Can you give us a clue what it is you are looking for in a routine? What you would like to be doing with coins? What are your current favorites to perform? And what do you do to personalize these routines? All this would help me (and others here) to recomend material.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Gidon New user Tacoma, Wa 80 Posts |
When I said fresh material I didn't mean chronologically, I simply meant something that was different from what I owned. I'm not in magic to make money, so for me, the fun in magic is learning many different routines and approaches to effects. So just beause I own a lot of coin material doesn't mean is "satisfies" my needs in coin magic.
When I get bogged down it's because I've practiced so much of the same type of routines and moves. I like to see new stuff. Right now I'm really into Coins on Edge. For me, it is pretty fresh and new as far as approaches to coin magic go. That's what I like to see. My initial question was "What should I buy next (considering what I already own) that would diversify my coin magic knowledge and show me new things?" I can see why many of you will not understand why I would want more magic when it seems as though I have so much already. I agree, if I was out to master every trick and move in all of the material I own I would have plenty to do forever. But in no way am I obligated to do so. It seems that the current belief in magic is that you must read everything that has been done in order be an accomplished magician. I'm not entirely inclined to chase such an unachievable goal. I'm in to magic to experience the wonder and amazement it has to offer and hopefully offer something back to the community. So while I'm not out to be a know all uber magician, I like to take in all that I can. I like to be a jack of all trades master of none if you will. So while I thank you guys for your confidence in the strength of my current material, the question still remains...What do you think would be best to add next?
Chris Harland
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
I would stick with what you have and make it better and more YOU.
Check my thread on magic as an addiction on the That's Funny portion of this digest. Just Sewious. Harris Deutsch Laughologist
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carlb New user Seattle 77 Posts |
I understand where you are coming from Gidon. Looking at the list you mentioned, I would recommend them all but in the following priority order:
1) CoinMagic - as stated above the richest of the lot 2) POS 3 - a very nice diverse set with some of Reed's KnuckleBuster stuff to boot! 3) Unexpected Visitor - very clean and very good thinking (particularly if you are NOT a purist) 4) Knuckle Busters - strong material (but expensive with only 3 routines per booklet) which I rate over CoinOvatioins mostly because I prefer books 5) CoinOvations - very high quality but short I would also recommend in no particular order: Anything by Gary Kurtz - a master The Rubinstein DVDs (both the encyclopedia and Knockout Coin Magic)- excellent technique and some stuff I really hadn't seen elsewhere The Rune Klan tape (3 peices of silver) - some very nice nuggets - purist If you are decidely NOT a purist: Anything by David Neighbors Just my two english pennies worth... |
mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
I agree with the others. Look deeper into what you have.
But I understand wanting to get more magic just for your own enjoyment, I'm sure we all do that. I think you should get "PoS3" I can't say it enough. Curtis Kams "PoS" series is what got me into coin magic. I was a card guy and did SOME coin magic but mostly cards. Until "PoS" Now I fall to sleep watching one of the three "PoS" everynight. But If your interested in the "CoinMagic" book by Kaufman, I have 2 copies. And willing to sale one if you are interested email me at mystre71@aol.com I was just recently won them both off ebay.I knew the book was out of print so I wanted to make sure I got one and now have two. And don't forget Reed, his stuff is great! And BTW if your waiting on "Coin patriot" too late their here, Oh and Scott has a few books on coin magic. So can't leave him out. To be honest everything that's on your list sounds great get them all
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts |
Gidon,
You have no choice, flip a coin. |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Let's see
Sawa published some amazing stuff using backc**p. I recall his work from a Genii issue long ago. The folks here could point you to more recent references. Also different and very demanding are John Ramsay's routines. They used extensive hold-and-hide and finger***m work and no classicp**m. Also a great place to work on attention management skills.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
That's a good idea. Try and locate a copy of Kaufman's book Sawa's Library Of Magic. It's off the beaten track.
At this point if you're tired of the techniques you know you're gonna have to hang with the underground guy who haven't published their stuff and wait for Geoff Latta to finish his book. Or you could do with JonTown did and create your own techniques. Who knows? You might just come up with the next big thing... |
harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Ditto on the stuff by Sawa.
does anyone know if the # 2 has ever been published. The first one was very interesting and full of things in the category of "Nearly Normal". Harris "Palms of Aluminum Foil" Deutsch Laughologist and Nearly Normal Magician
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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thimblerig Loyal user Bellevue, WA 273 Posts |
Sadly, I have never seen a follow up volume to the excellent Sawa book. Have been a fan since I first read (and then performed) his "Gary Ueller" spoon bending piece in Genii, which imho, was subsequently pretty well ripped off. He will take his place along with Shigeo Takagi, Tenkai and other great Japanese magicians, I am sure.
Gidon could also consider the "Cultural Exchange" DVD by Apollo Robbins and Shoot Ogawa. There are some "off-the-beaten-track" coin moves and ideas on that DVD that are very worth looking into and haven't been mentioned yet here. I am particularly fond of the moves credited to the <nearly> unsung Nabil Murday - The Nabil Change and the unnamed "Nabil move" in the "Neo Purse Frame" routine. This latter move allows you to place a visible coin in one hand into the purse frame in the other and the coin simply becomes invisible. You can then reach into the "empty" purse frame and pull out a real coin. Very pretty. (Thanks to Dan Watkins' review of Apollo's notes where he provides Nabil's last name - on the DVD they only speak his last name briefly and I had no idea how to spell it.) The DVD is very well produced and the teaching quality is very good. Cordially, tr |
Reed McClintock V.I.P. 772 Posts |
The first little pig rented a straw house, but he dropped out of fifth grade and had to move cause the wolf really wanted his rent. So he had to move in with his brother. Now his brother had built a clay home and one night it rained hence washing it all away.
Fortunately he had homeowners insurance but with the wolf’s company, both of them would be homeless until the insurance company got it together. So they both ended up moving in with there third brother who also dropped out of school. Now he ran the streets lived like a hardcore punk rocker and was told he would have no future (a loser for life), He made alot of poor choices. With luck one day he connected with some people that realized he had a lot of potential and helped him go back to school. Taught him discipline and focus and helped him learn about building homes and how important the foundation was. He built many homes and learned from those mistakes and accumulated enough wealth and knowledge, he built a beautiful huge brick home. From experience he knew he would have to plan for disasters with insurance. So he shopped around a little and talked with the big bad wolf insurance company. He realized that this one wolf had many business and ran them all himself. Hmmm where would the third brother be if he needed the services of the wolf after all the wolf was running a renting business, and internet avon business and an insurance business and like five other business, there just isn't enough time in a day. I wonder myself what he really knew about, anyway. Knowing he needed to protect his investment (his home) he went to a company that dealt with one thing insurance. He went and did some more research at some other more reputable insurance offices. He found some great policies that were far more complex than others. It meant more he had to read and understand about his protection of his home etc. After a few days he went with the more complex policy after he read and understood everything more clearly. Good thing he didn’t get involved with the wolf. It paid off to research suffer and work nonstop to succeed and chase a dream. Thank goodness for a strong foundation. Keep your eyes on the prize. Learn all of it, everything you can do not take the short cut. Listen to your gut, if it is easy do not take it this will teach you nothing you will know what advice to take, you would never ask a Bum for financial advice would you? Would you ask a chef about transmissions? Live up to you maximum potential you only get what you settle for. If you want to get good or be great buy all that you can afford and study and learn it all. That does not mean you have to master each piece you study just understand the development and the structure. If you do not know your style the more you read the more you will find what appeals to you. Once you find that, the process gets and becomes easier. You will have learned so much by the time you discover what you like and others like material wise it totally becomes more and more powerful. I did not listen to everyone I listened to what worked for me, my gut. Do not take this to mean listen to nobody. Learn to digest what people tell you there is no point in recreating the wheel, problems wise. You also must create some problems for yourself to solve because then how do you then grow and in-turn inspire another man or even teach another man perhaps if you have a son, does that make since. Perhaps I went to deep with this esoteric post but I see it so often people must realize life is about learn everything you can don’t take a short cut. Work your rear end off to build yourself. Read all you can experience everything life is way to short but that is just well, me what do I know? Cheers Reed |
mattpuglisi Veteran user New York 321 Posts |
Reed,
Whoa! (Insert Keanu Reeves soundbite here.) That was deeper than Downs Palm.
Lack of invention is the mother of necessity - Robert Nozick
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jasonchr Regular user North Carolina 173 Posts |
Great post Reed! Thanks for taking the time to write it...
Jason
The aspirant should acquire the resolve to explore and expand his talents to the best of his ability. With a thorough commitment to quality comes a sense of accomplishment and unique satisfaction.
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Thanks Reed for the Zen and art of Coin Magic.
"Sankey" very much. Harris "Palms of Aluminum Foil" Deutsch Laughologist
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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