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Jonathan Townsend
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On 2011-01-08 13:50, Mesaboogie wrote:...
John Archer was fab though, brilliant routine, well executed, and great patter. He comes across as a very likeable man,...


Did he invent that handling of the Bank Night trick?
Also, look at his face as Penn was discussing methodology.
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I thought the show was great and had an nice variety of acts. I think sometimes magicians are too sensitive to exposure, Penn and Teller did a good job censoring most of the methods. I am fooled all the time by techniques that I already know, Magic is about presentation.
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On 2011-01-09 00:59, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
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On 2011-01-08 13:50, Mesaboogie wrote:...
John Archer was fab though, brilliant routine, well executed, and great patter. He comes across as a very likeable man,...


Did he invent that handling of the Bank Night trick?
Also, look at his face as Penn was discussing methodology.


I think Max Maven would have had a worst look on his face.
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for all the kind comments and much appreciated. I am not going to go into the why's and wherefores of the show or indeed why I did it. After the show (We were kept well away from them beforehand) Penn and Teller were very sweet and encouraging about my routine. I showed Teller the exact method and he was gracious enough to say it was "so much better than he had imagined". I don't think they were in any way threatened by my performance or dismissive of it on the show. They were doing what they do, being controversial and rattling the cage a little. I think they saw the funny side of being fooled with 5 envelopes. The guess they made, though wrong is what most intelligent lay people would (and indeed sometimes do) offer as a solution, impractical though that would be. I had no problem wit what was aired. A huge amount of exposure and discussion which took place during recording never made it to the final broadcast and that was definitely due in a great part to the wishes of Penn and Teller.
I am not sure if it is healthy to encourage an audience to watch a magic show where the emphasis is purely on the how, but as someone has said a lot of the laypeople watched the show without even considering that in this particular case because they had two experts there to worry about that for them.

A difficult dilemma but an interesting one.

John
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>He was a TV star 20 years ago.

What's that based on? Being on Paul Daniel's Secrets and a few other guest spots?

He was, however, on typical cracking form for P&T and really nothing was exposed. I wonder why he chose the routines he did (slap aces and his super-saccharine new-deck-order trick) when IMHO he really might have fooled them with some of his other material.
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He probably chose those routines because that's what he wanted to get some fresh broadcast tape of himself doing, and a little exposure of his best laymen material.
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Can anyone really act surprised? All the exposure seemed fine yesterday. As I recall, they were touted by many here as being actually "good" for magic...
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Just watched the show -- count me on the side of Kerry and SWNErdnase. Great magicians and an air of respect for magic as an art form. Interesting to see the conversation here versus over at the Genii forum, where no one -- including some well known names -- seems to be worried about exposure.

Like some others on this thread, I did wonder about some of the choice in material, such as Michael Vincent's. I think he just went out to do his classic sleight-of-hand and ditched the idea of fooling them. Great to see, still, and Benjamin Earl was thrilling.
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I thought this was a wonderful programme. It's nice to see magic back on the TV for one.

I don't understand all the complaining here about it. Penn & Teller were superb as always & I thought they were complimentary to all the contestants, even John Archer. Well done to you John by the way, nice routine. Kinda reminded me of Wayne Dobson.

Lets not forget, Penn & Teller were there to be fooled & I don't think they gave anything away to your average layman in proving they knew the methods. Gimmicked deck & extra envelope was about as detailed as they got. Certainly nothing to get your knickers in a twist about as some have here.

Glad this was a one off though as it kept the quality high & didn't risk going down the X Factor / Plop Idol route.
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From ITricks: With all the buzz that has surrounded Penn & Tellers hit, “Fool Us” it was almost a matter of time that the DVD announcement was made. As Tweeted by Teller, the DVD is set to hit the UK February 7th.
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On 2011-01-09 22:38, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
Can anyone really act surprised? All the exposure seemed fine yesterday. As I recall, they were touted by many here as being actually "good" for magic...


they are great for magic
pretty much all the participants that were part of that show got a ton of publicity that will end up giving them more gigs just like it happened with Kevin James and America´s got talent
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And unlike AGT I think this show elevated the audience's respect for magic and that benefits us all.
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On 2011-01-07 17:11, Jim-Callahan wrote:
I am pleased that my opinion of these two is shared by so many.
(Was not the case several years ago).

Not saying they are not good at what they do.

But saying what they do is not good.

Jim


I am happy the public doesn't follow you on your thoughts as it is proven by so many Penn and Teller specials, docu-series, tv appearances, magazine articles, vegas theatre show and way more.

way to go Penn and Teller! another great show under your belt
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It seems Callahan's claim to fame is the pursuit of others coatails. When it comes to the very short list of household magic names in the States, whose work is also admired in other english speaking countries - I don't think anyone represents us better than Penn & Teller. To me, for decades they have been the most important men in magic and unlike the couple other names on that short list, they aren't perceived as cheesy-goofy-nerd-poser wannabes like the you-know-whos.
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You can always tell a P&T lemming by their use of the word "cheesy"...
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On 2011-01-10 23:11, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
You can always tell a P&T lemming by their use of the word "cheesy"...


wow.. so angry.. I bet you are one of those cheesy magicians Smile
all the power to you.
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On 2011-01-09 15:54, EscapeMaster wrote:
I wonder why he chose the routines he did (slap aces and his super-saccharine new-deck-order trick) when IMHO he really might have fooled them with some of his other material.


Those tricks and that patter will get him bookings. He did two elegant effects flawlessly for over four million people.
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On 2011-01-11 13:35, Piqsirpoq wrote:
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On 2011-01-09 15:54, EscapeMaster wrote:
I wonder why he chose the routines he did (slap aces and his super-saccharine new-deck-order trick) when IMHO he really might have fooled them with some of his other material.


Those tricks and that patter will get him bookings. He did two elegant effects flawlessly for over four million people.


oh common.. Michael Vincent did it great!
his patter and the way he talks and projects.. it was fantastic
people applauded him even the annoying host was all over him..

the only one that did it bad was the guy with the trick deck.. I thought he was nervous and his routine was pretty much standard... that´s the only amateur in the competition
all the others were great..
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Just call me Mr.Mistoffeces


Very classy... Well, makes sense as your comments seem to come from an arse...
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