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On 2011-01-29 21:12, critter wrote:
Wikipedia? Really? What scholarly research you've chosen to support your statements.

However, your link just provides more fuel for the case for effective regulation. The dude was executed by the government for a percieved failure to regulate the companies.
If the article is to be believed, he failed because he didn't regulate enough. Get it?


Critter, do you really think north american regulators are not corrupt too? They just need to get the right guy doing it, right?
Yeah, government would be a source for good if we just had the right people. If we just had the right (meaning same views as me) guy for president it would work like it's supposed to.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Fortunately the good people of Somalia can afford dirt cheap mobile phones and better hospital care now as a result of the ransoms collected from pirated ships and kidnapped seafarers.



Ever notice how all the piracy reports and serious concerns amped up in 05-06? What happened then again?
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I can't remember but am reasonably sure you'll have a link.
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North American regulators? Holy smoke I just figured it out...GDW doesn't recognize countries so there is no US and Canada in his mind, just a blur.
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Lots of Americans would love to be able to pay only $30 for a doctor's visit.
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Destiny, health care improved quite a bit compared to pre '91. A doctors visit cost 50 cents.
Comparing wages, that is approx equivalent to $30 US. About half a days wages at minimum wage.

Excuse me. Where does this 50 cents figure come from? And are you saying that was the cost of a doctor's visit in Somalia or in the U.S.?
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Gee, if only we had a system of checks and balances then it would almost be irrelevant whether you got the "right guy" for President.
Oh wait, we totally do!
Looks like the Chinese took care of thier "wrong guy" problem too.
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Gee, if only we had a system of checks and balances then it would almost be irrelevant whether you got the "right guy" for President.
Oh wait, we totally do!
Looks like the Chinese took care of thier "wrong guy" problem too.


And gots that been working out?
How much different are things with Obama than they were with Bush?
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Well, how different is Canada under....uh....the new guy/gal than the previous gal/guy?
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Gee, if only we had a system of checks and balances then it would almost be irrelevant whether you got the "right guy" for President.
Oh wait, we totally do!
Looks like the Chinese took care of thier "wrong guy" problem too.


And gots that been working out?
How much different are things with Obama than they were with Bush?


Wow. I just frickin' said it's not about one guy because we have an entire system of checks and balances.
And it's working out pretty good.
We're still the best country on the planet. I get to say whatever I want without worrying about being executed or put into a camp. I get to read whatever I want because it's available. When I drive over a pothole I can make a phone call and it will disappear within 48 hours.
And when a drunken sociopath beats my Mom, I can make a phone call and he will disappear within 24 minutes.
Yup, it's going just fine, thanks for asking.
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On 2011-01-29 23:18, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Lots of Americans would love to be able to pay only $30 for a doctor's visit.


I only pay $15 for most of my doctors' visits. Sometimes I don't even have to pay that. It's called non-profit health insurance and it rocks.
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Can I have some?
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Yes. If you and enough of the rest of the country get their reps to vote for single payer insurance (basically Medicare for all).
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Gee, if only we had a system of checks and balances then it would almost be irrelevant whether you got the "right guy" for President.
Oh wait, we totally do!
Looks like the Chinese took care of thier "wrong guy" problem too.


And gots that been working out?
How much different are things with Obama than they were with Bush?


Wow. I just frickin' said it's not about one guy because we have an entire system of checks and balances.
And it's working out pretty good.
We're still the best country on the planet. I get to say whatever I want without worrying about being executed or put into a camp. I get to read whatever I want because it's available. When I drive over a pothole I can make a phone call and it will disappear within 48 hours.
And when a drunken sociopath beats my Mom, I can make a phone call and he will disappear within 24 minutes.
Yup, it's going just fine, thanks for asking.


Critter, my point was that those checks and balances maybe designed to reign in the worst, not that they stopped plenty of the things done, but that even if you get a few of the best intentioned people into government, what can they actually accomplish? How different will things really be compared to before they were there?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Well plenty. There have been administrations that have made a big difference. Not always good and not always bad.

As for my insurance, it's a non-profit co-op. You could probably Google non-profit health insurance co-ops in your area. The one I use has also never had the pre-existing conditions rule. They really do rock.
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As for my insurance, it's a non-profit co-op. You could probably Google non-profit health insurance co-ops in your area. The one I use has also never had the pre-existing conditions rule. They really do rock.

Unless things have changed significantly in the last year or two, health insurance co-ops are very rare. According to this article from 2009, only two are operating in the U.S.: Group Health Cooperative of Washington and Health Partners in Minnesota. So, you might just be fortunate to live in a place where this is available.

You do mean "health insurance co-op" and not "health insurance PURCHASING co-op", right?

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2......-anyway/

This article (half way through) discusses health insurance co-ops that existed in America in the 1940s-1950s:

http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/p......ference/
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Huh, didn't know they were so rare. Yup, co-op. That's a bummer. I wish everybody could have insurance as good as I do.
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Critter, so do I. So do I...

(And for that, people call me a socialist.)
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Huh, didn't know they were so rare. Yup, co-op. That's a bummer. I wish everybody could have insurance as good as I do.


Maybe if there weren't so many regulations creating barriers to entry, and creating an oligopoly in the insurance industry.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

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Huh, didn't know they were so rare. Yup, co-op. That's a bummer. I wish everybody could have insurance as good as I do.


Maybe if there weren't so many regulations creating barriers to entry, and creating an oligopoly in the insurance industry.


Sure. Let's open the doors wide. No need to have a cash reserve. No restrictions on how much reserve a company has. Let people offer whatever they want and collect whatever premiums they can manage. Those companies that shuffle all their premiums into numbered bank accounts offshore will be weeded out by the market. Let Ma and Pa pay whatever they can be persuaded to pay, but don't have any legislation making the insurer accountable, 'cause that's socialism.

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