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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
I've not been following this since I didn't care for all the bs involved with the stories. I do have one question, initially they said he had a 9mm semi auto pistol, is that all he used? He did one hell of a lot of damage with a pistol, it's been done on a larger scale before but it seems as if I may not have heard what happened during the actual attack. Can anyone explain using fewer words than I did to ask?
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
OMG! Sarah Palin said "Blood libel"! Oh NOEZ! (She's been reminded that she should only use Democrat-approved tactics, such as referring to political opponents as "Hitler".)
It gets worse! Sarah Palin turned me into a newt! (I got better.) That does it! We need to prove once and for all that Jared Loughner is a Tea Partier! If he weighs the same as a duck, he's made of wood, and therefore a Tea Partier! To the scales! /Just maintaining this thread's current level of discourse and reason going |
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Landmark- Arizona is a legal concealed-carry state. You don't even have to wear your gun openly.
Santa- the 9mm had an extended clip and could hold 31 bullets.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Thanks, balducci. I don't think it really was the "blood libel" phrase that attracted controversy, I think it was the speaker.
landmark, not everyone is "hoplophobic," i.e. inordinately afraid of weapons. To some people, such as Mrs. Woland I might add, the presence of a trustworthy armed man who she knows can reliably hit a target is downright comforting. Regarding the rifle carrying African-American previously mentioned, the AP reported: Quote:
Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested. I think that confirms my recollection of his peaceful intentions. Woland |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Okay, extended clip makes sense. Too bad someone in the audience didn't have a weapon or perhaps they could have stopped the fellow.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2011-01-12 17:19, MagicSanta wrote: It is my understanding that he was tackled and restrained by audience members.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-01-12 15:18, landmark wrote: Maybe he'll be on a ticket as VP in '12!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Santa- maybe. But remember- I did say Arizona was a concealed carry state. Anyone could have had a weapon. Of course, unless they were right next to the shooter, they wouldn't even know anything was amiss until he started firing. And at that point, he could probably have still emptied his extended clip before they could draw, remove the safety, aim, and fire. (And hope they didn't miss, firing into a crowd.)
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Why was there no police presence?
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
There was a fellow in the convenience store who did have a CCW permit and a pistol with him. By the time he was aware of the problem outside, and was able to make a move in that direction, he explained, the shooter had already been tackled. I think he may have had a role in restraining him.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2011-01-12 16:53, Woland wrote: Well, perhaps. I suspect, like Goldman in the National Review, that a number of Jewish people really are upset about this, regardless of the speaker. Right now there are several Jewish lobby groups criticizing Palin for her choice of words (even though Palin is a strong supporter of Israel, as I understand it). If she wants ever again to run for higher office, she is going to have to avoid these "obvious" missteps. This is already news in the Israeli press, for whatever that is worth. The following is totally unrelated to the U.S. incident but it is interesting to see that Israel presently has its own controversy over speech that incites violence. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opi......1.336531 Heh. Copycats.
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Kevin Ridgeway V.I.P. Indianapolis, IN & Phoenix, AZ 1832 Posts |
For the record, one can open carry in Arizona as well. The phrase 'concealed carry' is used quite often as a catch all for a state that allows one to carry a firearm. However, it is not the most accurate phrase to use. We split our down time between Arizona & Indiana. We are currently in Arizona and as one would assume, the news here is following the mass shooting closer than anyone.
Our 'concealed carry' permit is from Indiana. It is not however a 'concealed carry'...it is a permit to carry. The holder of said permit has the choice to carry concealed or open carry. Arizona's law is concealed carry with no permit....open carry with permit. Hope that helps. Kevin
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
So you need a permit to DISPLAY that you are carrying a firearm in Arizona?
But NO permit is required if you want to conceal the fact that you are carrying a firearm from people? I can imagine and even understand a possible line of logic behind that, but it does seem *** backwards to me.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2011-01-12 19:01, Living Illusions wrote: If you're in Arizona carrying a concealed gun with no permit to carry it openly, and you pull it out to use it (say, to defend yourself), have you violated the open carry law now that it's in the open? |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2011-01-12 19:15, balducci wrote: Yup, that one has always seemed odd to me. Seems like backwards logic.
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
With no desrespect to Kevin Arizona does not require an open carry permit. Some have tried to get it passed but with a few exceptions you can open carry in the state. Open being exposed or partially exposed. They have lifted the restrictions on concealed carry again with some exceptions (such as you cannot go into a bar or restaurant without a permit). You cannot take weapons everywhere you want, you must answer honestly if an officer asks if you have a weapon, if a place says no guns then there are no guns allowed, no guns on college campuses, and so forth.
Note that laws change and they may have changed open carry but being Arizona I doubt it. |
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Kevin Ridgeway V.I.P. Indianapolis, IN & Phoenix, AZ 1832 Posts |
MagicSanta...thanks for pointing that out. While one can carry without a permit, there are certain advantages that come with the permit. I should have been more precise.
Kevin
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
That is correct....
In my area I'm likely the ONLY one not carrying a gun (weapon? Yes...). If you see someone walking a dog, other than me, they have a gun in case a coyote or rattle snake visits. I can't shoot 'em but I am equipped to beat and skin' 'em. |
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Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
As I write this,the president is speaking at the memorial.
Boy, he's really got the crowd standing and cheering. The free t-shirts with the custom designed event logo is an interesting touch. Maybe more merchandise with the logo will be on sale after the memorial, or perhaps Oprah will make a surprise appearance and give free gifts to the people in the audience. |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-01-12 15:28, Scott Cram wrote: I agree Scott it's no big deal. Just pretty narcissistic, making herself out to be the victim. But no biggee as far as I'm concerned.
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