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Do you keep a loaded unlocked gun in a home with children, or a home where children visit?
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Ok, lets put this in perspective.

Do Police Officers unholster and unload their guns and put trigger locks on them when they enter a school, a Wal-Mart, a grocery store etc., etc., because children are present??

My point: You can be safe and be around children with a loaded gun.

Better question, do I keep a loaded gun around children where they could get to it?? Heck no, of course not.

If I am asleep it stays in a small bedside safe that is accessable in less time than you could put a pair of slippers on. Fingerprint reader.

Question for you: Do you lock up all your kitchen knives when children are around? Do you lock up all cleaning agents when children are around. Fact is that more children are harmed with the aformentioned items than guns each year, but the guns make the headlines.
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*sigh* Rowdy, I was being a bit tongue in cheek. I already said if I had a gun, I'd be keeping it in a gun safe. (See Landmark's point. Not locking it up is considered child endangerment, at least in my state.) I've got a 2-year old, the toys are just part of the territory. The fact is that if someone really wants to shoot you dead, they've got a decent chance of doing it, regardless of whether or not you're armed yourself. You can reduce the chance, certainly, but never eliminate it.

If someone just wants to break in, and happens to be armed, then the alarm (which does call the police- who's station is about a mile away) is the primary deterrent; if they want to steal something, they'll have to be quick. I'm sure they'd rather go to a house without an alarm, where they could be more leisurely about it.

Hmm, maybe I should join the NRA, so I can put that sticker in the window beside the security alarm sticker.
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I would have to disagree with you on the statement that if "someone wants to shoot you dead, they have a decent chance of doing it".

In my experience, I havent seen to many "burglars, gang bangers and home invaders" at the local shooting range or competing in shooting matches. Actually the odds highly favor a gun owners survival chances verses an unarmed person.

Imagine who the odds favor in this scenario.

Someone who is intent on killing you breaks into your house and you are waiting on the Police. What are your odds.

Second scenario, they break in and you have a 12 guage shotgun you are trained to use. Hmmmmm, something tells me scenario #2 has the better odds of coming out in your favor.
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But again, until you are the victim of a violent crime where you were helpless, you may never realize the importance of being prepared to defend your family.

I just visited with a lady who experienced a home invasion. The man had terrorized another family the same way a few years earlier. He raped the woman and fatally shot her husband.

The lady I visited with defended herself. She shot the intruder. He died. She lived. She lives in the country and knew the police response time was about 15 to 20 minutes. It was ruled justifiable.

Oh, by the way, the intruder shot and killed her 3 year old Doberman Pincher she had in the house. Dog didn't help in this case
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On 2011-03-14 23:57, LobowolfXXX wrote:
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On 2011-03-14 23:24, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Robert, I have used firearms on targets, and I do know firearm safety.

Did you see the part where an employee in the supermarket, who actually had a license and was carrying a firearm, came out to assist- and almost shot the man who had disarmed the shooter? This isn't speculation, it is what happened.


It actually happened that something almost happened. As my good buddy Jason used to say, "If we had some ham, we could have a sandwich if we had some bread."


You want something that happened? An off-duty police officer came out with his weapon to aid two officers trying to take down an armed suspect. The two uniformed policemen gunned the officer down. Now the armed suspect, who had dropped his weapon by this point, is being charged as an accessory to the death of the officer.
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Rowdy, what did I do that ticked someone off so much they want to kill me in the first place?
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On 2011-03-16 10:06, rowdymagi5 wrote:


Better question, do I keep a loaded gun around children where they could get to it?? Heck no, of course not.


Yes, that is what I meant. The fingerprint safe idea is interesting.
Re, knives and cleaning agents. Any parent that doesn't keep them locked or out of the way of young children is an idiot.
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On 2011-03-16 10:49, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Rowdy, what did I do that ticked someone off so much they want to kill me in the first place?


You flashed when doing the final load in your Cups and Balls routine. People kill for that.
Just kidding!!

It was just a hypothetical, most "bad guys" don't need much of a reason to kill it disturbingly seems.
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It's a fallacy that you can't protect yourself if you have to spend the time taking a gun out of a safe or undoing a trigger lock. There are many ways to delay an intruder and provide yourself extra time. A gate, a dog, an alarm, multiple locks, another gate, a solid door that's not made of crappy hollow plywood, secure windows... etc, etc. They even make this rubber thing you can attach to your door so if an intruder kicks it in the door will bounce back at them.
Also remember, you are in a familiar environment and they aren't. It's not like they are rushing straight to your bedroom if they don't know where it is.
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That said, I've also taught my kids to respect guns so they aren't strange mystery toys to them.
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On 2011-03-16 10:49, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Rowdy, what did I do that ticked someone off so much they want to kill me in the first place?


Oh I don't know being a lib it could be any number of a thousand things I guess. Start with all the names you like to call the other side of an arguement. (Like lib, I do that with only you because you do it to others.) Calling rich people 'Fat Cats' simply because they have achieved enough to earn money. Your outright hatred of corporations, your desire to redistribute other people's money, you feeling that the government makes better decisions than people, your wanting to shread the constitution. That is a short list of what could get people angry at you. I certainly would think that if someone was pushed to violence over these things, let alone deadly physical force they are a bit unbalanced, but that is only how I feel. Others mileage may vary
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Taxation, Danny whether you like it or not, is redistribution of monies.
But I do think it might be nice to start a new thread to talk about the thoughts concerning progressive taxation rates and the like.
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Danny, you strike me as a very angry individual. Okay, wait, on second thought, please don't strike me.
Kidding; I don't think you're a violent person. But if any of those things make someone angry enough to kill, they need some professional help.
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That was exactly my point. I think the same thing. As a matter of fact ANYTHING that brings one to violence I find questionable. Words that is. I could never in my life find anothers position on an issue, ANY ISSUE, a reason for violence, hatred, or anything of the sort. Heck I celebrate it as part of the greatness of our country! I may disagree, I may think it stupid, but still I am thankful for where we live and it is a fantastic illustration of what makes it great.

Yea taxation is redistribution of monies. So? Why do you need a whole new thread to figure that out?
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Your screed against Esn included among his other putative faults "your desire to redistribute other people's money."
That's the point of taxation.
I advocated a new thread because it might be interesting to look at the whole concept of taxation a little more deeply without hijacking this one.
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Danny strikes me as a loving man with a beautiful soul.
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And I'm sure he thinks the very same of you Santa. Good night and God bless.
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Oh no you used the "G" word!
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Redistribution of people's money is NOT the purpose of taxation. The purpose of taxation is to support the legitimate functions of government. Taking money that you have earned away from you, in order to give it to someone else, who has not earned it, but who the government happens to think is more deserving of it, is illegitimate.

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"Taking money that you have earned away from you, in order to give it to someone else, who has not earned it, but who the government happens to think is more deserving of it, is illegitimate. "

What if those the govt thinks deserves it are those carrying out the "legitimate" functions of government? Smile
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