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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
Service goes down, costs go up, and government runs to make more adjustments to bring things back, oblivious that it was their initial meddling that set them off to begin with.
It's like watching someone who time traveled, and messed up the "natural order" and is having to constantly try to course correct the universe.
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
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On 2011-01-26 13:51, Woland wrote: I'm sorry for your loss. I don't doubt what happened, but there's no guarantee the same thing would not have happened under the US system of private insurance providers, who can and do regularly deny claims and refuse to cover procedures for much the same reasons. When my retired father-in-law was dropped from his wife's insurance, he tried to buy private insurance (he was too young to qualify for Medicare.) He expected, due to his blood pressure and cholesterol medications, that he would have to pay a substantial amount for his insurance. Instead, at company after company, he was informed that, due to those medications, he could not be covered at all. In fact, someone at the first or second company just flat out told him not to bother with anyone else, no one would cover him. He kept calling anyway, and discovered she was correct. Under a "socialist" system, he'd have been covered.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Sorry to hear that, but as I suggested, his "coverage" in many a socialist system that "coverage" would not have amounted to anything other than a denial of service. Of course, it would be denied "for the common good."
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Quote: Would you rather hear "Denied for the common good" or "Denied for the bottom line"? Seems there's not much difference... except our system's a lot more expensive.On 2011-01-26 16:21, Woland wrote:
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Reading this just makes me think back when I was told how on topic this thread was when I said it went way off topic.
So having read the last 15 or 20 posts do you think this is why Loughner went on a shooting rampage? He knew all this and just could not stand it any longer? Or will you agree this thread is way off topic? If only Loughner could post here I am sure everyone here would like to hear his ideas on all of this. Only saying it seems like most here believe they are all experts in everything from the bible to government to medicine to foreign policies, and have the answers to all of them. When ini reality for the most part it is something that they googled and now post as an example. OK, now kill the messenger.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
I agree that we have wandered way off topic. So?
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Woland,
So...and you wonder why governments have a hard time doing something constructive when there are a lot more decision makers than what we have here. So why not stay on topic. So stop wanderinig all over the place and stick to topic. Again I said that someone googles something reads it and decide to throw it into the discussion even though it has nothing even remotely to do with said topic. Then all the other experts pick up on it. Do any of you guys have any real world experience in politics on any level? I am not even talking state or county, but even on a local town or city level? My "guess" is probably not. Yet you get into world politics and issues. There is nothing wrong in discussing these things but many here try and come across as an expert with years of experience. Have any of you ever had to come up with a real world solution to a real issue and try and work it out? Or is this the extent of your experience to discuss and solve an issue? My God if someone rambled like this and you were an observer, I wonder what your comments would be about their mental awareness as to what is going on around them. Would you question their attention span? Hope that answers your, SO. Again kill the messenger. Besides this is another topic isn't it?
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Well, acesover, in a normal casual conversation it is not unusual for the subject to meander along and run for a while in side channels. This is a casual conversation. It is not a structured debate. In this sort of thread, there are in fact a number of different simultaneous conversations going on, and the interlocutors vary from subject to subject. I think that most of us are capable are reading through the thread and deciding when we have something we wish to add.
As a matter of interest, I do have "real world" experience in elective office, and I am involved in government at the local level. Does that disqualify me from addressing issues on a national level? I don't think so. Does it qualify me? The qualifications for President as spelled out in the Constitution are simply that the President must be a natural born citizen who has attained the age of 35 years and who has resided in the United States for 14 years. Thank you for allowing that there is however nothing wrong with our discussion of the issues. W. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
In answer to your question does it disqualify you for addressing issues. As you say and I agree. Absoutely not. I also have been active on local level politics (council man 18 years retired now) but got my rear end kicked when I tried to step it up to county level. However it does not make you or I an expert but rather just people with an opinion. My comments were not in discussing but rather coming across as if we were experts in these matters. Also I would ask what exactly is an expert in these matters. I mean there are no real qualifications that probably 95% of the adult American population cannot fulfill to be president as long as they meet the age requirement.
The only purpose of my comments is that many here and at times myself included come across as experts on something that we only have a surface knowledge of the issue at hand. This is the perfect example of how a topic gets derailed. Honest this is not an arguement here just an observation. As we all know here I never argue.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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Woland said:"None of the new companies and new technologies that have grown in America over the past 50 years would have appeared in a centrally controlled socialist economy. The bureaucrats would be too busy equitably dividing what was left of the economic pie after their own healthy slices had been removed from the table . . ." I'm certainly no fan of the Soviet Union, but it's simply false to imply that they were not innovative technologically. I think Sputnik and Yuri Gagarin put that brand of complacency to pasture more than half a century ago.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
After the brute force feats that you mention, the Soviet space program lagged far behind ours. Have you ever seen the Soyuz capsule at the Smithsonian?
Where Soviet technology really shines, however, is in the design of small arms. The Makarov pistol and the Avtomat Kalashnikov are masterpieces of industrial design that solve the particular problems posed by the situations for which they are designed exceptionally well. The Kalashnikov is the world's favorite light assault rifle, and has proven itself to be utterly reliable even when cheaply manufactured in nearly third world conditions. The Makarov pistol is less well known but is also ingenious, and has fewer than 25 total parts (I forget the exact number) including the cartridge! But my statement is still correct. None of the new technologies that have added millions of what the President likes to call "good jobs" to our economy would have been developed in a stagnant, corrupt, inefficient socialist bureaucracy such as the Soviet Union. W. |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2011-01-26 10:44, Woland wrote: Yeah, I miss the robber barons.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Well, acesover, to get back on the topic that is the title of the thread, here are the thoughts of Jerusalem Post ......ne Glick on how the press covered the Tucson shooting, and also, as a bonus relating to one of our sub-discussions, what Glick thinks about the blood libel kerfuffle:
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For Israelis, the American Left's assault on Sarah Palin and the conservative movement in the wake of Jared Loughner's murderous attack in Tucson was disturbingly familiar. W. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Steve,
If you are interested in the "robber barons," may I recommend the biography of John D. Rockefeller, "Titan." Would it surprise you to know that after he and his partners created Standard Oil, the quality of petroleum products in the United States was better, and the price consumers paid for them less, than before Rockefeller's work? W. |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Around 1980 a top computer scientist came over from one of the soviet republics. He decided to stay and when asked why he was jumping ship he said that when he went to UC Berkeley they showed him a scientific calculator that was more advanced than any computer that they had developed in the USSR. They were not as advanced as they wanted others to believe tecnology or military wise.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Honestly I could not bring myself to read the article you posted (here are the thoughts of Jerusalem Post columnist Caroline Glick) so I have no idea whether I agree with it or not as it is just to long.
Now I will not get myself in real trouble...like most women she talks to much.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Well to most, Sputnik and Gagarin were awe-inspiring, not a brute force feat. Many in the US--including conservatives--saw them as a call to revamp an outclassed educational system. To say they would not have produced what the US did is really a kind of tautology. The countries had differing national goals.
That said, Capitalism, as Marx recognized, is an important engine in innovation and wealth creation and accumulation. The point is that it is often at the cost of wages and labor stolen from workers. Additionally, as with the the companies you mentioned above, such as Microsoft and Google, after a short initial period of competition, small advantages soon grow exponentially, wiping out competition. Again, this isn't theory, anybody can see it a work in their own neighborhoods. When WalMart comes in, the local mom and pop businesses cannot afford to price their goods as competitively, and soon go under. This of course results in WalMart getting even more of the market, and becoming that much more powerful against competitors. I'm not blaming WalMart--that's just the way the capitalist system is; as in the fable, a scorpion can't help itself--it's in its nature to sting.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Woland--
It's kind of funny that you keep calling the blood libel debate a PR kerfuffle, and then you keep bringing it up again and again. She's not Jewish, thus she used the term incorrectly. I have yet to see anyone, including Alan Dershowitz, cite one instance of the the phrase referring to a non-Jew. It's no big deal to me other than indicative of Palin's narcissism and victim complex. End of story on that. As for Israeli politics--well I really don't think we want to get into that here. And death panels? Totally meant to scare people, since she has never used the term to refer to the HMO bureaucrats who in fact have many times made decisions which resulted in actual deaths, not imagined ones. But then, you knew that already.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-01-26 22:21, Woland wrote: And did you know that the usefulness of cotton was greater after slaves picked it?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2011-01-26 22:43, acesover wrote: CliffNotes: Palin good, Left bad. Same in Israel.
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