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On 2011-01-27 23:41, Destiny wrote:
Gdw,

I may have exaggerated for effect but I personally can't see how else your proposed Utopia would function, and please don't tell me I should read your links - if a system is so complex you can't explain the basics to me in a couple of paragraphs, I cannot take your support of the system seriously and have to suspect you are just throwing out a line hoping for a nibble.
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Just curious, would you be able to explain the basic principles of your political views in a few sentences? I know you were referring to describing how a "system" would work, granted, I highly doubt you could describe how everything does work under any current system in as few words, but I thought this would be another thing to look at.

So, care do describe your political views?
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It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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Gdw don't take this the wrong way. But are you related to Jared Loughner? Because it is obvious by many of your posts that both of you are crazy and I was just wondering. A simple yes or no is sufficent without any elaboration. Just be truthful. Yes or No. You can tell us we are your friends.
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No.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Are you face book pals?
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Never heard of him before the shooting. But, yeah, I can see how posting a link condemning the nut, and saying he is responsible for what he did would make people think I'm related to, or friends with him.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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On 2011-02-02 19:37, gdw wrote:
http://revision3.com/pennpoint/tucsonshooting2

Wow that was really even more boring than I expected. I stuck with it because I have respect for Penn as a magician, but that was pretty worthless. And what's the deal with the constant camera switching? Is this a typical episode of this commentary? And it really has nothing to so with his views, it was just a rambling mess.
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Trying to take the hot spot light off ya huh? Admit it GDW...the photos foud of Jared in a thong...they were heading for you weren't they?
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On 2011-02-02 19:37, gdw wrote:
http://revision3.com/pennpoint/tucsonshooting2

Wow that was really even more boring than I expected. I stuck with it because I have respect for Penn as a magician, but that was pretty worthless. And what's the deal with the constant camera switching? Is this a typical episode of this commentary? And it really has nothing to so with his views, it was just a rambling mess.


It actually had a good bit to do with his views. It was a bit of rambling on, but they aren't exactly meant to be scripted. The guy kinda wears his heart on his sleeve.
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No, I meant my criticism had nothing to do with his views. He complains that he's not going to mention Loughner's name because it's the 9 year old girl's name that should be remembered--and then he doesn't give her name! Really, I expected a little more analysis, no matter what his position was.
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Gdw,

I believe government 'of the people, by the people, for the people' as practiced (with all it's variations and imperfections) in what are generally known as the Western Democracies has proven itself to provide it's citizens with the most free, happy, healthy, wealthy, informed lives in the history of mankind.


There is much can be argued with in all our countries, but no other system has ever, other than in theory, been demonstrated to give anyone anything like the life we lead today.

Maybe I am just spoilt living in a country as wonderful as Australia, but I think we are the luckiest people to have ever breathed air.
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On 2011-02-02 22:49, Destiny wrote:
Gdw,

I believe government 'of the people, by the people, for the people' as practiced (with all it's variations and imperfections) in what are generally known as the Western Democracies has proven itself to provide it's citizens with the most free, happy, healthy, wealthy, informed lives in the history of mankind.


There is much can be argued with in all our countries, but no other system has ever, other than in theory, been demonstrated to give anyone anything like the life we lead today.

Maybe I am just spoilt living in a country as wonderful as Australia, but I think we are the luckiest people to have ever breathed air.


Yes, we have it pretty darn good, relative to the rest of the world. However, IF (For the sake of argument, I'm being hypothetical) the system we are under is immoral, then this says nothing more than saying "we are the freest slaves on the plane." I'm not saying we are slaves, I am just saying that being at the "top" is only relative, and does not address whether or not what we live under is "right."

Any who, that doesn't really give me any idea of what YOUR political views are. What principles you support, what you'd like to see done with/by government, what you think the purpose of government is?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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You asked for a few sentences and now want an essay - the Western democracies, ideally, are based on capitalism with citizens guaranteed personal liberty and freedom of religion. They have sensible regulation so one persons freedom does not infringe on another.

You will notice I used the word 'ideally'. I am not Utopian. Mistakes are made and nothing is perfect.
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On 2011-02-03 18:32, Destiny wrote:
You asked for a few sentences and now want an essay - the Western democracies, ideally, are based on capitalism with citizens guaranteed personal liberty and freedom of religion. They have sensible regulation so one persons freedom does not infringe on another.

You will notice I used the word 'ideally'. I am not Utopian. Mistakes are made and nothing is perfect.

I was asking for a few sentences because you criticized me for not being able to explain every facet of a system in a few sentences.

As for what I am asking, I'm not asking what system, I'm asking for your political views. Most world describe themselves as leaning left, or right, but even that doesn't tell me much, considering the range of differing views on either side.

So, what I'm asking is, what are your political views? What fundamental principles do you base those views on?
Do you have any underlying principles, or do you just hold a mix of ideas of what you think works best?

Your comments on liberty and such give me an idea, but it would still seem to hold contradictions, as most regulations ARE infringements on the freedom of others.

For me, it boils down to this, I have no place telling two consenting people what the can, or can not do with eachother in bed, so why should I have any say what they do in business between eachother?
So, what place does "the majority" have making those decisions for them?
What place do they have saying what people can contract with eachother, be it a contract of marriage, or a contract to sell some food.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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On 2011-02-03 18:54, gdw wrote:

For me, it boils down to this, I have no place telling two consenting people what the can, or can not do with eachother in bed, so why should I have any say what they do in business between eachother?
So, what place does "the majority" have making those decisions for them?
What place do they have saying what people can contract with eachother, be it a contract of marriage, or a contract to sell some food.

What two people alone together in bed do in bed together almost certainly involves nor affects anyone else (excepting in the case of cheating spouses).

But what two people do in business almost certainly always does involve or affect others.
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Balducci, how do you explain this local (to me) business?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlite_Bunny_Ranch
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On 2011-02-03 19:30, MagicSanta wrote:
Balducci, how do you explain this local (to me) business?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlite_Bunny_Ranch

That's a business, and it can and does affect more than two people. Stop trying to confuse the kid (gdw).

BTW Santa ... about those funeral arrangements you mentioned a while back, but could not act on (e.g., sending a body to the afterlife, adrift on a flaming boat / barge). I read today that Colorado allows open air funeral pyres / cremations. Apparently it may very well be the only U.S. state that does. So now you know.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Balducci, it affects those that chose to be involved, and thus they are also parties doing business.

Like those who choose to do business by dropping at a store.

Like future sex partners who choose to get involved. Or, heck, join in at the same time.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

I won't forget you Robert.
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