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Robert, I have used firearms on targets, and I do know firearm safety.

Did you see the part where an employee in the supermarket, who actually had a license and was carrying a firearm, came out to assist- and almost shot the man who had disarmed the shooter? This isn't speculation, it is what happened.
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They have had civi dressed police shot by other police in error.

GDW, they are now needing to evaluate the guy who did the shooting to see if he is even rational enough to stand trial. Seems his anti govt leanings indicate he's a whack job.
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On 2011-03-14 23:24, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Robert, I have used firearms on targets, and I do know firearm safety.

Did you see the part where an employee in the supermarket, who actually had a license and was carrying a firearm, came out to assist- and almost shot the man who had disarmed the shooter? This isn't speculation, it is what happened.


It actually happened that something almost happened. As my good buddy Jason used to say, "If we had some ham, we could have a sandwich if we had some bread."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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Almost shot the man?? How do you almost shoot someone?

That is not true at all, that is the media spin.

Law abiding citizens prevent and stop and save more lives each year than people realize.

When the difference between life and death is a matter of seconds, the police are just minutes away. What would you anti-gunners do if someone is breaking into your house and they cut the phone lines? Even if they don't, I guess your gonna hide under the bed and hope they don't find you? Hope the police can protect you?
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On 2011-03-14 23:24, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Robert, I have used firearms on targets, and I do know firearm safety.

Did you see the part where an employee in the supermarket, who actually had a license and was carrying a firearm, came out to assist- and almost shot the man who had disarmed the shooter? This isn't speculation, it is what happened.


No. You didn't read my post.

I said defensive firearms training and deadly force response. It's not the same thing as using firearms on targets and knowing firearm safety.
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Rowdy- the press interviewed the employee holding the gun. He said he was aiming, he had the safety off, he was about to pull the trigger.

Robert- is defensive firearms training and deadly force response required for a license to carry concealed in Arizona?
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I would say that the individual who had the gun pointed with the safety off and was about to pull the trigger should have his license revoked. I couldn't seem to find that news report though. I have heard rumors. Did you actually see this interview?
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Almost shot the man?? How do you almost shoot someone?

That is not true at all, that is the media spin.

Law abiding citizens prevent and stop and save more lives each year than people realize.

When the difference between life and death is a matter of seconds, the police are just minutes away. What would you anti-gunners do if someone is breaking into your house and they cut the phone lines? Even if they don't, I guess your gonna hide under the bed and hope they don't find you? Hope the police can protect you?


True.

Did you read the news about the guy who broke into a house and then called 911 fearing the home owner had a gun?
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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When the difference between life and death is a matter of seconds, the police are just minutes away. What would you anti-gunners do if someone is breaking into your house and they cut the phone lines? Even if they don't, I guess your gonna hide under the bed and hope they don't find you? Hope the police can protect you?


Rowdy- Cell phone. Audible panic alarm. 80 pound pit-lab mix barking her head off. Children's toys scattered on the floor. And a heavy mag-light in an unfamiliar (for them) area that I can navigate in pitch black darkness, especially if I have a vested interest in stopping a deafened intruder with a sprained ankle and a large dog standing on his chest.

I'm not anti-gun. I just don't own one. And even if I did, since I have a kid, the gun would be in a gun safe, unloaded, with a trigger lock on. And that's useless anyway if it's life and death in a matter of seconds.
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In my opinion, flashlight is an off-hand weapon. Use the flashlight to temporarily blind the intruder while you shoot, taze, or stab them. Depending on your preference.

Huh. Is this weapon day? Seems like I've ended up talking a lot about weapons today.
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Critter- nah, not the big 6-battery ones. You hold it right behind the lens, resting the butt on your shoulder. Keeps it at head level, and from there, you just drop your arm and it swings like a club or mace.
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We would do all that for that and yet the bankers are robbing us and we give them money for doing it.
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Tommy- not me for much longer, I'm in the process of switching over to a credit union.
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Hey Esn that sounds neat. Maybe you can enlighten us more in another thread. I've wanted to do that for a long time.
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On 2011-03-14 23:24, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Robert, I have used firearms on targets, and I do know firearm safety.

Did you see the part where an employee in the supermarket, who actually had a license and was carrying a firearm, came out to assist- and almost shot the man who had disarmed the shooter? This isn't speculation, it is what happened.


Did you see the word ALMOST when you typed it? No harm no foul. Heck should we now be getting after people for ALMOST getting into an accident?

Almost means it did not happen, this is not speculation, this is a fact. You are complaining about what DID NOT HAPPEN. Isn't there enough wrong in the world that DOES happen for you libs?
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In my opinion, flashlight is an off-hand weapon. Use the flashlight to temporarily blind the intruder while you shoot, taze, or stab them. Depending on your preference.

Huh. Is this weapon day? Seems like I've ended up talking a lot about weapons today.


Flashlights are not used to blind. They're used to identify a potential target. Light, sweep, move.
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On 2011-03-15 09:58, EsnRedshirt wrote:
Rowdy- the press interviewed the employee holding the gun. He said he was aiming, he had the safety off, he was about to pull the trigger.

Robert- is defensive firearms training and deadly force response required for a license to carry concealed in Arizona?


I never brought up Arizona law. However, I do see where you're trying to steer the discussion to benefit your lack of background knowledge on the subject. No worries if you're not familiar with defensive handgun use. Just don't presume that which you're not familiar with.

It's all really irrelevant. though I made my point. Nothing more to see here.
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By the way one GREAT way to stop a crime is to "almost shoot" someone.
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Just to add...

If you're planning to learn to kill, be sure to learn to heal as well.

To be clear... I mean learn First Aid. At least the BASICS.

All of them work IMO... Guns, Swords, Knives, Bats, Flashlights and Dogs... IF you trained to use them well under pressure. (Dunno 'bout training the Dog though...)

Stay safe and I HOPE SHE RECOVERS FULLY.

Who?

Well... Smile
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"Rowdy- Cell phone. Audible panic alarm. 80 pound pit-lab mix barking her head off. Children's toys scattered on the floor. And a heavy mag-light in an unfamiliar (for them) area that I can navigate in pitch black darkness, especially if I have a vested interest in stopping a deafened intruder with a sprained ankle and a large dog standing on his chest."

First--Cell Phone? Okay, so you wait until the police get there to protect you---if they make it in time.

Audible Panic Alarm? Okay, so you wait until someone comes along to help you (maybe a gun owner will show up to rescue you.)

Childrens toys scattered on the floor? that's just hilarious. Really? What do you do when you have friends over?? Explain to them to watch your step, that's my anti-burglar toys scattered everywhere? Hmmm, that's funny. Guess the kids get in trouble for "cleaning" their room? lol

Large dog? Dogs are a good form of defense, unless the bad guy shoots the dog dead.

Interesting. When I worked as a Correctional Officer the felons I talked with always mentioned one thing they avoided......homes with a sign that said "Im the N.R.A." because they knew they were armed.
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