Hi Francis! Welcome to the Magic Café and to this forum. I've learned a lot here and I'm sure you will as well.

The book mentioned above, "The Amazing Miracles of Shigeo Takagi" is a great investment not only for the solid cup routine, but for a Japanese routine called "Owan to Tama." There's an older post in this section about that routine as well. The book is well illustrated and you would find it a valuable resource.

And yes, Francis, your collection is benefiting from my New Year's Resolution. You now have some of my old "favorites."

Mr. Bill P. Nice to see you after a while. (My while, that is).

I loved seeing a routine by [name will come in a minute] whose 'silver' cups all became solid by the end.
He won the FFFF or some award with it.

Fantastic though it was he missed doing the Vernon Ball and Cone move that would have vanished a load ball before he showed the cups to be solid. [name should pop up right about now].

I do this move at the end of the Takagi cup routine with the question, "Now, what color wass the ball?" then revealing the solid cup.
This pretty much kills, as at the table you can go south with the ball.

I love how everyone tries to unscrew the solid cup. It really tells you how powerful the illusion is.

I don't think they should have bothered to make the next cup with the "suprize inside" as I think it nearly spoils the effect without adding anything. It's great for the manufactures to have a new thing to make, and the sales must be nice, but it makes a miricle into a trick. My opinion.

Elliot

Hey, Elliot -- good to see you posting here.

That was Shawn Farquhar who did the routine you are referring to.

I hope that somehow Gary Wolfsberger publishes his routine again, because it's the one that AFAIK started it all.

BTW, I understand what you mean about the ball inside the solid cup. I don't think it was a necessary addition. However, the golf ball inside the pudding can IS actually as close to a miracle as you can get, because the ball IS inside a sealed can.

I have seen Lonnie do this on a number of occasions. At the end, he pops the lid on the pudding can, reaches into the chocolate pudding with a spoon, and lifts out the golf ball -- covered with chocolate pudding -- as if to offer it up as dessert! He does this completely dead pan. It's beautiful.

About how much are these things going for?

Check with Angelo. He is the one who is making them right now.

Also Papasmurf. He makes some really nice ones.

The reason I ask is because I have one. I am not sure who made it but it is pretty old looking. The instructions have a whole bunch of hand-drawn illustrations to explain the routine.

It is Jeff Busby.

Is this the one that separates or the one that does not?

It separates.

Hard to say -- probably somewhere between $200 and $400. If it has both of the Mike Rogers large baseballs with it, it is worth more.

The reality of the situation is this -- John Dahms made the official cups. That's a plus. Jeff Busby published it and marketed it. That doesn't quite cancel it out, but Jeff isn't the most popular guy in magic right now.

Is there video of the performance of this routine anywhere online?
-Lee

Dominique Duvivier has come up with a variation that pushes the concept initiated by Shigeo Takagi even furtther

Lawrence O...is it written up or on video somewhere?
Just telling us that he has come up with something does not help much.

Not sure if there is a video online, but Duvivier has one version of his routine on Vol 3 of his collected works (I forget the exact title right now), I think that was a two person routine, however, so I'm not sure if it's the one Lawrence was speaking of.

Does anyone have a copy of the routine that came with the Busby Takagi Cup? I have the Kaufman Amazing Miracles book but want the original instructions to compare both routines for this cup.

As far as I know there is only one routine. But there were two cups: one that was completely solid, and then later a cup that appeared solid but broke open to reveal a large ball inside. So the instructions Busby did changed at some point when Takagi developed the second cup.

The routine in my book would have been his final word on the subject, because it came out years later.

A solid Takagi cup recently landed my way and I'm wondering where/how the routine diverged from the original instructions to the final one in Amazing Miracles.

@ Mobius 303
Good point, sorry!
and no, ConjurorMatt, it's not the same routine. Go to
http://www.mayette.com/Intimiste_2___Dom......ils.aspx and it's under Gobelet en bois (which means wooden cup)

I managed to get a hold of the original 1977 manuscript of the Takagi One Cup routine that Busby published, but it's missing the illustration sheet. Does anyone have this and would be willing to photocopy that illustration sheet for me?

Thank you...

Could someone describe the effect? I don't understand what this is used for.