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markmiller Special user 731 Posts 
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Looking back, I see I also mispelled Pakar, like Ray I went with the sound "Parker" but did an "ar" instead of an "er" at the end. Not intentional, not insensitive, not meant to offend, tell stonehead I'm sorry. Still think you're dead wrong about the P&T show.
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noble1 Special user 651 Posts
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Okay I admit it. I named Pakar Porker to tease him, not because I don't like him or didn't know how to spell his name. I don't even know him. Shame on me. In the future I'll try to stick to the facts when I know I'm right. It was a cheap stunt and like msmustard and markmauler I apologise.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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No worries guys...
Thanks.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts
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One more thing to add to this about the audience perception is Piff's performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk5xfK0ovrk He doesn't fool Penn & Teller and the method is called out. In spite of that, there are many comments on the video that seem to think that the volunteer was a stooge, and other absurd things. So if people's brains are that warped 5 seconds after hearing the method, what state do you think they'll be in a few days, or even weeks, after seeing it? Be entertaining, and technically competent. That is all. |
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2604 Posts
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That was a GREAT spot buy a consumate pro. They key fact for me is... Does anyone think that being on this show will actually cost him ANY work or will it in fact increase his national exposure and marketability?
Ray Pierce
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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And Ray, that's it in a nutshell. The guy is wonderfully entertaining, he's a magician, and my bet is that his phone is ringing off the hook.
And he has a really cool dragon suit. |
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Josh Chaikin Inner circle Kansas City 1430 Posts
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On 2011-08-09 13:17, stoneunhinged wrote: Right you are...according to the Twitterverse, he's in talks with BBC for his own TV show, and his shows are selling out at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. All because of his spot on the show. He deserves it. |
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lebowski Veteran user 377 Posts
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I think we can all agree that the success of a magican lies in making a human connection... seldom do the crude gimmicks in a magic show - those mirrors, threads or rubber bands - deceive people, it's always the finese of the performance. And to a degree, I think for the public to appreciate magic as an art (and be intrigued enough to watch a tv program in substantial numbers) it's not such a bad thing that this show hints at a few techniques. It's certainly not blatant exposure. I think what's done, gives credit to magicians more as performers than mere tricksters.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 05:58, stoneunhinged wrote: Every point seconded. Disagreement is a fine thing (and in fact I disagree with my friend Pakar about P&T) and it can be done civilly.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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On 2011-08-05 16:50, noble1 wrote: Oh alright. Hadn't scrolled down this far yet. Apparently, my opinion wasn't needed 
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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On 2011-08-11 09:08, critter wrote: Thanks critter...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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Stone...
You da' man! Good on ye'.... Not to mention, Pakar is right. Or so I think... Jim
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3017 Posts
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I say we agree to disagree...unless this spells the end of magic (which I don't believe it will) we're all gonna be fine, even if we have differing opinions.
SO nice to see a few genuine apologies on here. There are too many threads where this stuff gets out of control, people say rotten things, and it makes this a less enjoyable place to be. We're all human and we all let our emotions get to us, but to take a step back and apologize says more about us than any petty remarks we might make. I've come to realize lately that this is the simple stuff, and in the big picture, there are FAR more important things to worry about in life. In fact I'm in disagreement with Jim on this issue, but he recently did something extremely kind for me, and I'd do the same for him without hesitation, so regardless of where we stand on the issues, it's good to see people put their weapons down and shake hands. Makes this board a better place to be
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts
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And as Andrew can tell you, I personally save my F U attacks for PMs.
If only everyone were as civilized as myself.
I agree, the apologies were totally refreshing. I appreciate them. |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts
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On 2011-08-11 22:19, Andrew Zuber wrote: There ARE far more important things, I agree. Quote:
On 2011-08-12 01:18, stoneunhinged wrote: Yes, I agree, if only... Seriously. I appreciate the apologies the most.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts
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Agreed. Takes a lot of courage to admit when we've gone too far and own up to it.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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flobiwan Regular user 165 Posts
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I am convinced that P&T's greatest feat is fooling magicians. While they do give away some very minor things in a vague sort of way, they have been able to fool magicians for years into thinking that they expose much much more than they actually do. Their "exposure" is usually done in such a way that nothing is really given away. A good example is the cups and balls. Yes, they used clear cups but they did it so fast and frantically, and with both P&T doing it at the same time, that a layman would have a hard time deconstructing the method.
This show illustrates that. In the intro for every episode, Penn comments like he is going to expose the effect if they can figure it out, but during the show they go through great lengths to keep the method secret while still conveying to the performer their knowledge of it. BTW, regarding exposure, some tricks expose themselves. When you levitate a crumpled up dollar bill from your palm, I don't believe there is a person over the age of three who doesn't know what you're using to do it. They may not know the EXACT hookup, but they get the method. |
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rickhypno Loyal user 274 Posts
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It is entertainment for a layman, end for me.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts
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What magician can feel good about seeing "the world's greatest magician" called out for a deck switch?
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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