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On 2011-01-21 06:45, bobser wrote:
Ok, thanks for taking that in the spirit it was intended and being so nice in return. We obviously disagree on the 'walk up to a stranger' thing as I see it as extremely possible whilst agreeing with you that neither of us would do it. I don't know who Jim is but thought you were giving as good as you got back there. LOL. Maybe Jim had a read and thought so to. He never did call.


Ummm my problem isn't with Jim LOL. I like Jim. Bobser, it is not a point of "giving as good as you got" it is a point of not having too. THAT is the main disagreement.

I know you see it as "extremely possible". But again give me a percentage. (I am a science numbers guy after all.) I also can accept you would never do it. I am just trying to hash out in my head terms like "extremely possible". In my mind that congers up a percentage of about 80 or so. At that point my bs detector goes off.
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On 2011-01-21 09:12, JonChase wrote:

Somnambulists accept suggestions directly so yes it can be done. The trick is finding the somnambulist.


Whis is somewhat akin to saying "Yes the lottery will make you rich, the trick is to buy the right ticket".
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On 2011-01-21 06:56, mindpunisher wrote:
If you look at the original question you will see nik has a few of Ants products. I think its safe to assume that he has watched some of Ants promo's on youtube. This is probaly where the misinformation is coming from...It also seems to be where a lot of this fantasy hypnosis is coming from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNTIc9ytaaM

We all know its complete bollox...but newbies don't. It seems like some people like living in a fantasy.

On the other hand here is a clip of Ant in the "real world". Which only proves good stage hypnosis is a lot more skilled than learning impromtu. He still has quite a long way to go I would say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ffv9ss7DFY&feature=related


YES this is the type of bs nonsense that is making new people think it is the Jedi Mind Trick. Like I said you walk up to a bartender in my part of the word and do this and even IF he fell for it, the other two would punch your teeth out.

To teach kids that "anyone can get free drinks" or you can eat for free or whatever (which incidently is theft in America and jail time would follow.) is just not a responsible way to act. This is the problem I have bobser right here. YOU do not do these things. I get that and notice I have accepted that.

This is a way to get "respect" as hypnotists? This is pure 100% bs. That is not because I can not do it, stealing drinks and food has never occured to me. (Though I have done some very bad things, I have matured.) My understanding is that you spend 30 days simply stealing from people?

Ok I am calling bs on this RIGHT here and now! This is not hypnosis it is bad theater. If we are to believe what we have seen you are a thief at worst and a con artist at best. It is as simple as that. Remove the word "head" from "head hack" and you have it. Yea show people you are nothing but a thief or a con man and it does NOTHING to raise the "art" of hypnosis. If this is what bobser means when he says "real hypnosis" count me out. WAY OUT. I feel sorry for every hotel front desk person, bartender, server, clothing sales person, and so forth who has to tolerate the bs that the children are about to unleash after seeing this nonsense.

No wonder kids are so misguided about what is and is not hypnosis.
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[quote]On 2011-01-21 09:16, Dannydoyle wrote:
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On 2011-01-21 09:12, JonChase wrote:
Somnambulists accept suggestions directly so yes it can be done. The trick is finding the somnambulist.


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This is somewhat akin to saying "Yes the lottery will make you rich, the trick is to buy the right ticket".


This is all good debate. But I agree totally with Jon Chase's post. I understand it. It makes total sense to me. And I think the lottery analogy is way way off with regard to the chances of this happening. The lottery here in the UK is one in 30 million or so. Bigger in the USA. Finding a somnambulist who accepts suggestion without being told to go into hypnosis, yet goes there, would be bread and butter for a practiced hypnotist. That's my view. NOT to be argumentative but rather based on my experience. One of us is right. I think I am. You believe you are. I think that's it.
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You still rambling on Bob? For god sake will somene get Bob out of trance please.

A real hypnotist acheives something with hypnosis. Getting someone to slump forward with their eyes closed or stick a hand to a table is not in my view a hypnotist.

And we all go in and out of hypnosis daily with no one yanking our arms or our chains..Whats the big deal?

But if it is such a big deal go do it and put up a video. There's no point going on and on about something that you haven't proved. Now stop it! your starting look like a weirdo.

And by the way the army is full of them. But I have never seen in my entire life anyone go into a deep conditioned trance and respond just from a suggestion. I expect I never will. But if you want to go do it I would be happy to admit I was wrong. If Jon chase has such a video I would be very happy to see it.

But geez sake put a sock in it.
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"YES this is the type of bs nonsense that is making new people think it is the Jedi Mind Trick. Like I said you walk up to a bartender in my part of the word and do this and even IF he fell for it, the other two would punch your teeth out.

To teach kids that "anyone can get free drinks" or you can eat for free or whatever (which incidently is theft in America and jail time would follow.) is just not a responsible way to act. This is the problem I have bobser right here. YOU do not do these things. I get that and notice I have accepted that.

This is a way to get "respect" as hypnotists? This is pure 100% bs. That is not because I can not do it, stealing drinks and food has never occured to me. (Though I have done some very bad things, I have matured.) My understanding is that you spend 30 days simply stealing from people?

Ok I am calling bs on this RIGHT here and now! This is not hypnosis it is bad theater. If we are to believe what we have seen you are a thief at worst and a con artist at best. It is as simple as that. Remove the word "head" from "head hack" and you have it. Yea show people you are nothing but a thief or a con man and it does NOTHING to raise the "art" of hypnosis. If this is what bobser means when he says "real hypnosis" count me out. WAY OUT. I feel sorry for every hotel front desk person, bartender, server, clothing sales person, and so forth who has to tolerate the bs that the children are about to unleash after seeing this nonsense.

No wonder kids are so misguided about what is and is not hypnosis."



...and herein lies the root of the problem!

In magic there is something called "exposure"...this in hypnosis should be called "indecent exposure."
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Wow, both Danny's and Mindpro's last posts are identical In every way!). How can that happen? Unless they're both the same person and that same person just made a bad mistake?
Danny, are you Mindpro? Are you always the one guy who ALWAYS agrees with you?
This gonna' take some explaining!!!
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Here goes Bobser, looking to start some crap again!

If you look closely I responded to Danny post, but since there were several posts after his I quoted his post so people know what I was responding to. This is why Danny's potion of my post is in quotation marks. You see Bobser this indicates a quote from someone.

Then I added my comments following the quote.

Really plain and simple. No Clark Kent and Superman secret identities here, just your imagination looking to once again stir the pot under the guise of seeking truth, justice and the Bobser way.

What, do you sit around here looking for people’s faults? Does pointing out someone else’s faults somehow make you feel superior?

Although this does bring one thing to light that perhaps someone could help me with. In all my years here at the Café, I do not know how to get the miniature size type for quoting someone else’s previous post found in most people’s responses. I guess this is why Bobser sees this as an issue. I’ll be glad to try to figure it out or accept someone’s quick tutorial.

To answer your question Bobser, that’s how that can happen. Any other questions?

No, I am not Danny...I’m much better looking.

Sorry about the confusion.
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For someone so great at therapy it seems odd bobser hasn't come across the term "deflection" or perhaps "projection".
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Or denial.
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Another strange coincidence! Danny, are you really Mindpunisher too? Your writing style (LOL) is incredibly familiar.

I have also noticed now that you are joined by a highly respected and internationally known stage hypnotist in Jon Chase who also tells you he does trance WITHOUT saying he's a hypnotist or even using the word HYPNOSIS, you three have gone slightly quiet. It would appear both Jon and I do this with ease, but you seem to think the chances would be similar to
[quote "winning the lottery" or "being struck by lightening".

Any chance of commenting on that?

Do try to stay on topic, although no doubt MP will have to remind us once again about:
1) The 1952 Hypnosis Act (God but the lad could talk about that all day long)
2) Anthony Jacquin is bad! (He did mention that earlier, didn't he? Has everybody got that?)
and most importantly
3)how in 1900 and oatcakes he saved Mercedes Benz 20 zillion pounds!

Cos we all wanna' hear about those three important things just a one a more a time!
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No you don't want to hear bob...

Trance? What is trance? When is someone in a real trance or out of it? When I talk about trance I talk about the point where you can get them to do just about anything you want to do. Not the initial light stages. I still see that as part of the induction or conditioning for deep hypnosis. Do I believe some people a small percentage will slump and close their eys stick their hands to a table? Yes do I believe they are deeply hypnotised? NO!

h=Heres an experiment for you to try while you are running around bars. Take a section of people get them to press their hands firmly on the table and suggest their hands are stuck . No fancy process No slumping forward, no normal induction. You will find that a number of people won't be able to free their hands. Try it.

My question is so what? So its interesting but in reality what use is it? Why would you cream your pants over it?

As for temp forgetting I can't remember the name of the effect But Jermay had an effect where someone can't remember a playing card a few seconds after seeing it - it came out around the time Brown was on the underground making passengers forget their destination. He also had the twisted palm at the time.

I played around with it I got it working a few times but I found it no big deal it was a passing curiosity.

As for Ant being bad? Hey you make your own mind up. I only pointed out two examples one from his promo and one of him actualy working in the real world. You make up your owm mind about his abilities.

But go out next week and stick a few hands with no "hypnosis" and then ask yourself "so what?"

And its nice to see you in your athority trance by thinking it wrong to not agree with someone with such important credentials.

Actually I really Admire Jon's marketing abilities more than anything. From my experience that's what make people successful more than anything else. And he is good. I would say Ant isn't too bad either.

And by the way bobser your quote about the lightening? That wasn't mine. I have never doubted that a few people would slump if you walked up to them read my posts. I have always asked why? or so what? However I don't believe they would be deeply hypnotised. Now I know what you and jon meant at the very top of the hypnotic ladder.

I have always thought of being deeply hypnotised as the part where you get them to and they will do just about anything you ask. Not the light state. In fact we go in and out of those light states all the time like driving a car and forgetting the last few miles. I honestly don't see it as a big thing. And I point out those ancient results as you keep reminding me to try and show you what I see as somethingreally worthwhile about hypnosis and the potential it really can do.

that's what drives me that's what I am passionate about. Its a pity you can't see it and wirk towards creating these things with hypnosis. If you did I would be in your gang. Its just that sticking hands to tables just doesn't do it for me.
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And just so its clear because I think you don't get what I meant about Ant's Tattoo video. I don't know if it was intentional instinctive or stumbled upon but for the market hes aiming at it is a great piece of marketing or branding (pun intended). I don't like what he does. But that is a clever piece of marketing.

I think is quite amusing though how you have brought your "big brother" jon chase to the fight though...

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Sure I will comment on it Bobser. I stand by what I said 100% and still have YET to see you or anyone PROVE it can be done. Simple as that.

Also YOU are the one who made it about using the words "hypnotist or hypnosis". I have said that it is not relevant. I HAVE SAID IT FROM THE START. I know "reading is fundimental" but obviously "comprehension" is an advanced skill. You need to work on it.

Gone quiet or gotten bored? You and Ant have proven what we needed you too. You have shown youselves for bs artists. Listening to more of your delusional ramblings does not interest me.

Hey if you think you are cutting edge by ambushing people in pubs then what more do you need? If you think this is the next level then there ya go. You have the approval of yourselves and a ton of 19-29 year olds. "In the land of the blind, it is the one eyed man who is king". All hail king bobser.

You know full well how full of it you guys are, and that is what you have to deal with. IF Ant can live with taking money for outright lies and bs then good on him.

One time someone told me that Doug Henning went to pay 10 grand to someone to teach him how to float. I pondered at the time if you spend that kind of money and invest that sort of emotion into floating, are you better off BELEIEVING you float even if you don't, or fully comprehending you can't float and were taken and all that emotion invested was wasted? YOU bobser actaully seem to believe you can float. Have a great life floating for everyone and hoping they believe you.

You are obviously out of ideas here LOL. OH mindpunisher is Danny, oh Mindpro is Danny, yada yada yada.
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Danny Doyle said:
[quote]"YOU are the one who made it about using the words "hypnotist or hypnosis". I have said that it is not relevant. I HAVE SAID IT FROM THE START. I know "reading is fundimental" but obviously "comprehension" is an advanced skill. You need to work on it."
[QUOTE/]


Dearest Daniel,
On the very first post of this thread, the opening qustion from Nikstokes asked, quite CLEARLY:
"Now my question is, can a HYPNOTIST walk up to a random person, without informing them that they're a HYPNOTIST and put them under and give suggestions?"

Now then Danny, you've now been taught that on 5 separate occasions! FIVE! I do believe you said you were a numbers scientist? (giggles). So one more time: HYPNOTIST!!!!!!!!! That's a good boy.
And I believe your message (read it in your above post)this time around is: "comprehension is an advanced skill" is that right?
(more giggles.)You should be writing comedy skits mate. You're wasted sticking plasters on unsuspecting holiday maker's faces.

Look Danny, It's not that I don't want to debate it with you it's simply that I cannot. You make it impossible. And as nice as I've been to you in recent posts as I listened to you're jealous rants against all those bad newbie's coming in here to your room, again and again and even again, I have to be the adult and call it a day now.
But, I do feel I need to be honest with you before I go. I'm owe you that much. So here it is. And I don't mean this in a disparaging way. It's just that the empirical evidence shows, that beyond any doubt... you truly are.... quite THICK!
you can't count and you have no retention in any way shape or form for any serious debate. So it's all a total waste of time. I've actually had people PM me and email me suggesting strongly that I should really let you go, due to your inability to compile logical argument. So I'm going to do that now.
So it is with heavy heart that I leave you, and of course your monkey (the only one in here that totally matches you intellectually) to big each other up.
It won't be a great relationship between you and MP I fear, because at the end of the day you can't really stand each other either.

To everyone else who Pm'd me and emailed me (three of you I'm meeting personally this week!) yes we can take these highly entertaining and educating debates elsewhere.
To you Danny, and Cheetah, the cost of entry into such a club is intellect, desire, passion, enthusiasm, and a willingness to help your fellow hypnotists. Such currency neither of you possess. You both truly are bankrupt. Please accept that the way it's intended.

I do know that you won't understand much of this Danny. Never mind. Never mind.

Thankyou.
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On 2011-01-22 19:50, mindpunisher wrote:
And just so its clear because I think you don't get what I meant about Ant's Tattoo video. I don't know if it was intentional instinctive or stumbled upon but for the market hes aiming at it is a great piece of marketing or branding (pun intended). I don't like what he does. But that is a clever piece of marketing.

I think is quite amusing though how you have brought your "big brother" jon chase to the fight though...

:)


Hey fella, I'm here because I want to be and I am not here to fight anyone. Your opinion has neither value nor does it bother me. You are wrong sometimes and right sometimes, as I guess I am. I dislike the video simply because some idiot is going to try and emulate it and the ink shop isn't the place to screw around, and yes, I have ink so do know what I'm talking about.

Personally I look on this as an opportunity to teach those who don't know and to encourage different thinking in those who think they do. I have no fight with anyone, just as so few people ever back up their statements with anything. The reason I am here not very often is I have a life ;-)
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