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OK. I would NEVER condone ambush hypnosis but I really can't understand why some should have difficulty believing you can hypnotise someone without mentioning any of the words hypnotist, hypnosis, trance or sleep.

You can, I have, I do.

It's the simplest of re-framing exercises. You DO exactly the same process but you just change the language. A no-brainer. Think about hypnotherapy with children. It can often be a very similar exercise.

My workshop story in the video is just one example where I was specifically and unusually requested to do this by a client.

The director's reasoning was that if his actors knew right away I was a hypnotist, he was concerned they would just "play along and act hypnotised" and get less from the experience.
As for anecdotal. It's not. It's a personal account from the person who did it. Anecdotal would be if I was saying "I heard about a guy who..."

The whole workshop was filmed but I unfortunately never got hold of a copy and don't even know if a copy still exists. We did do a lot of planning and checking to make sure it was done safely but it really wasn't seen as that big a deal at the time, just an example of direct suggestion and word substitution. But it was satisfyingly a bit of an eye-opener for the skeptical director seeing the actors hypnotised without them really knowing what was happening.

After I did it, I found this video of Kreskin using direct suggestion with actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6z6t1ApSz0
(I'm certainly no Kreskin, but there are some parallels here.)

Incidentally, once my cover was blown, I went on to do character work with the actors using a combination of techniques. Mostly, I borrowed heavily from what's commonly called "past-life regression" and also "deep trance identification." However, even though it was always made clear the actors were always identifying with FICTIONAL characters and scenarios, interestingly, the results were virtually indistinguishable from supposedly "real" experiences: The level of detail revealed etc.
The director once again expressed concern his actors might be just acting and so asked me to do the same with his newly arrived sound technician. Well, he turned out to be the best subject of all!

As a combination of hypnotherapist, trainer and entertainer, I understand not everybody is comfortable with this kind of work and some even choose to believe it's not possible.
That's fine. It means more work for the specialists.
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http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=22&11

See the above thread.

So it seems some here ARE capable and comfortable with a re-frame: The exact same idea of being hypnotised without hypnosis being mentioned, but can't help but get all worked up when anything which might possibly be related to Street Hypnosis is mentioned.
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"Now my question is can a hypnotist walk up to a random person, without informing them that they're a hypnotist and put them under and give suggestions? Most of the things I've seen is that a hypnotist walks up to a person, says "Im a hypnotist" and then proceeds to put them under."

This is WORD FOR WORD from his first post. Now before you make another mistake and tell me I am getting worked up about anything about street hypnosis read it carefully. He wants to know if you can walk up to a random person, and just have them start to follow suggestions. This has nothing to do with "framing" or any other bs you want to talk semantics about.

Trance is a theatrical device. You can do a lot without it. I agree. But you guys SHOULD but apparantly DON'T know that it is easier to take someone where the already expect to go. (This is what expectation is all about.) It is probably one of the most powerful things the process has going for it. Why in the world would you try to eliminate it for the sake of being some "modern" bs?

So are you telling me you can walk up to a random person and give suggestions without them knowing anything about you and they start doing what you say? That they believe it is hot and what not? Don't give me the lemon bit, and don't give me looking up at the sky or itching your neck. The kid wants to know if you can walk up to random people and they will follow you like the Jedi Mind Trick?

Oh and incidently, I wasn't talking about you when I mention ambush hypnosis. But it does seem as if you are straying away from his first topic in an attempt to justify a yes when the answer is clearly no. Also are you going to tell me that those people didn't know Kreskin was a hypnotist? This was the guy who promised us Aliens outside of Las Vegas ya know?

So all you guys who can walk up to random people and just hypnotise them lets set up and video tape a challenge. We can walk the streets of Chicago and I will pick out 10 people (so they are random) and you hypnotise them. In other words, put up or shut up time. I am sick of the semantic debates about what is or is not this or that. (Too many mentalists in hypnosis today if you ask me.) You want to play games like mentalists like "oh that was a hit" and that sort of BS.

Oh and Bobser once you mentioned that you think you do therapy in some way in these sessions? Not hardly brother. Not hardly. So put up or shut up and we can film the results! Should be fun to watch an ambush hypnotist punched in the face a few times at least.

Oh and CAN you hypnotise someone without the words sleep or hypnosis? Sure. But it never even occured to me to try.
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Here is my point about Reg's post. First of all it really has nothing to do with the "debate" on the thread. In other words on the example he spoke about he didn't just walk up and randomly hypnotise someone with a word. He took a group of people through a hypnotic induction. So what? Not only that he took actors who use self hypnosis regularly as part of their profession? They don't call it self hypnosis but that is what they do when they go into character. In fact some are so good they need therapy to get out of character.

Many coaches trainers hypnotise their audience without even knowing that is what they are doing.... So what?

The other point I would like to make is a real sign of a limited hypnotist is one that goes on about getting hands stuck; arm catalepsy; forward slumps and eys closed. that's what you impromtu /street guys are obseessed with. Its like a cabinate maker going on and on about how he got his hammer to thump a nail into a piece of wood. Or how he managed to get his saw "working". Or how he managed to get a really accurate reading fom his spirit level. Such a cabinate maker would never make anything worthwhile. And that is where you impromtu guys are. you are obsessed with these simple basics that are little more than a tool. that's why you will never be any good. Because you stopped learning after the most simple of basics deluding yourselves that you are better than those that have been on this business for years and years and years. You have no idea how silly you look. Its fun up to a point watching you orgasm as you show of your tools ( pun intended )

TOOLS YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF HOW TO USE PROPERLY OR EVEN A REASON TO USE THEM. Hypnosis seems more like a fetish for you guys; something that gets you off.

And I have to laugh at Bobsers comment >>>>You say not to lie to the kid or lead him on. That's condescending towards him at best. If your not careful 'the kid' is going to know a lot more than you could ever have even imagined in a few short months!<<<

Bobser thinks you can learn everything about hypnosis in a morning. Well if you go by the videos of street or impromtu hypnotists I reckon he is right. There is now a new term in hypnosis " HACKS". Lovely term that is so descriptive of this growing subculture of public nuisances. head HACKS.
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On 2011-01-15 20:30, nikstokes wrote:
Is there any good resources that speak of waking hypnosis? I'd love to learn more about that as well.


You can get all the 'waking hypnosis' exercises you might ever need from McGill's encyclopedia. Although according to one of his students, he never saw McGill use them. You can also get great resources by looking at some of the free material from James Tripp 'Hypnosis Without Trance'.

You can also accept there is zero difference in the subjects potential response pre and post induction. That's right. The induction makes no difference to their 'level of suggestibility'. Because the induction is really just another suggestion. This is one area the science is absolutely clear on. Drop the terms waking and sleeping and just start giving suggestions. I recommend you avoid getting sucked into the world of trance and sleep and suggestibility levels. This will save you time.

You will find you can Hack Heads so much more comfortably and reliably and safely when you accept it is just a relationship and all your engage is their imagination and perceived sense of involuntariness.

Feel free to PM me with any questions.

Anthony
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Wow, this is about everything but STAGE HYPNOSIS. Street Hypnosis is not Stage Hypnosis!

Seems like all of these street hypnosis junkies are looking for nothing but shortcuts - ambush, waking, nlp,etc.without wanting or feeling the need for professional training. Danny is right, you guys need your own forum, so not to take every single thread here off topic and debate hypnosis itself (which is expressively against the forum rules - read above)

How about learning the principals of hypnosis for ethical, legal and professional reasons before thinking of entertaining? What a concept.

Great points Danny & mindpunisher (never thought I'd type that sentence). Let's see if any of these guys are willing to step up to The Danny Challenge - I suspect not. None of the followers or their fearless leaders.
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You seem to know a lot about this Ant. Show me one example - you must have loads on video of you giving waking hypnosis suggestions with no induction? In my experience 20 years I've never seen any example of such a thing. Induction may be a suggestion but it is a particular type of suggestion designed to induce a certain situation where someone is hyper suggestable.

But show one example I am always willing to learn.

By the way I have always known and believed that to be true Ive been teaching business and sales people with great seults for many years. However there are different types of hypnosis. The general type on here is where someone becomes hyper suggestable...

Im looking forward to seeing your videos.

Plus any series of suggestions designed to lead someone from one place to another is an induction.




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On 2011-01-16 09:21, Anthony Jacquin wrote:
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On 2011-01-15 20:30, nikstokes wrote:
Is there any good resources that speak of waking hypnosis? I'd love to learn more about that as well.


You can get all the 'waking hypnosis' exercises you might ever need from McGill's encyclopedia. Although according to one of his students, he never saw McGill use them. You can also get great resources by looking at some of the free material from James Tripp 'Hypnosis Without Trance'.

You can also accept there is zero difference in the subjects potential response pre and post induction. That's right. The induction makes no difference to their 'level of suggestibility'. Because the induction is really just another suggestion. This is one area the science is absolutely clear on. Drop the terms waking and sleeping and just start giving suggestions. I recommend you avoid getting sucked into the world of trance and sleep and suggestibility levels. This will save you time.

You will find you can Hack Heads so much more comfortably and reliably and safely when you accept it is just a relationship and all your engage is their imagination and perceived sense of involuntariness.

Feel free to PM me with any questions.
Anthony
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Yea don't get sucked into the trance state stuff. That can only slow you down if you actually have to learn stuff. Last thing you want to do is spend a whole bunch of time learning stuff right? What can learning do for you anyhow? How has learning ever helped anyone ambush anyone on the street with hypnosis? Matter of fact the more you learn, the less you do it.

Ant, I have to say that what you guys profess to do is far more akin to improv comedy sketches than hypnosis. Congradulations you have invented Second City. What a load of crap.
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Now don't be too haste to judge Danny! Give Ant a chance. C'mon Ant show us these examples I would love to catch up on all these amazing developments you guys have made. That goes for Bobser too. Where are those videos?
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Danny when you say:
"Oh and Bobser once you mentioned that you think you do therapy in some way in these sessions? Not hardly brother. Not hardly." It sounds like you've lost this argument and desperately trying to change topic. I'm told you have all my past posts in here and like to pour over them every week., is that true?


In any case you're guilty of gross mis-representation (a lovely habit of yours), which is a bad excuse for lying. I am a professional therapist of over 30 years, and unlike you I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about I suggest you stay with the argument lest you get lost in a long intellectual discussion, where quite frankly, you'll probably get spanked again. You're sounding like a child in the playground and in serious danger of boring the a-ses off everyone in here. You're beginning to sound like that other lost child, Mindpunisher.
Reg is trying to educate you both, but you really need to: sit up straight and start paying attention!

Now then, Mindpro you say:
"This is about everything except stagehypnosis."

You sound like yet another rabbit lost in the headlights. But it's good to see you've finally woken up, now try to pay even more attention and you might learn something. REAL hypnotists are interested in the human condition. It's not all about telling someone "When I say cheese you'll think you've sh-t yourself." and then have them pretend they're having sex with a chair. I know you guys like it, but that's your collective natures. Stay happy but keep away from deep discussions, unless you're willing to learn instead of walloping us over the head with your self-delusional egos.

Reg has opened up and willingy given you freely of his time and wisdom. It's evident none of you deserve it. And indeed because you're too thick too understand (nay even contemplate the possibility of) what he's saying you're as good as calling him a liar.

I'm hoping at least one of you might one day have the balls to apologise to him for both your crass bad manners, and total lack of knowledge with regard to how wonderful the human mind can be.

In closing, yes Danny you're right, no b-gger is going to be daft enough to go to Branson and walk about with a camcorder. Jesus H!!!!!!!!!
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Bobser, the only one calling names like a child is you. I am afraid you have developed delusions of adequacy. That you put yourself on such a high pedistool says it all Bobser.

30 years of therapy huh>? What exactly is your training in Bobser? What universit degrees do you hold exactly? Come on lets hear about it. So according to you REAL hypnotists run about in pubs craving attention so badly because they can't get it in every day life or manage to do a stage show for attention? THAT is what a REAL hypnotist is to you?

Bobser you are lashing out at those of us who don't buy into your lies. All you do is claim things yet never back them up. To be considered a great chef one must cook at least one edible meal. Same applies here. Time to put up or shut up. You must have THOUSANDS of hours of things to prove your point. Certainly you could use a $1,000 and a vacation right? What do you have to lose? Back up your claims. SHOW us how stupid we are. Till you manage to eek out a bit of proof of your claims, they are nonsense. Pure and simple. Now go ahead call more names.
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So if I understand this correctly you're going to fund the trip to Branson is that right? I'm sorry. In that case my answer is a big: "Yes."
Let's have the details. I'm goping to change my whole diaru just for this trip.
Or..... are you bluffing?
Yhat anal tweaking you're feeling right now by the way? That's the fear eejits get when they get called out? Don't like it huh?
Well you brought it on yourself. So, as they seem to say a helluva' lot of in Branson: "Put up, or shut up."
My expectancy? You'll do neither. if I read you correctly ou're life is all about making somnambulists fart, and not a lot else mate.
Stage hypnosis? you can get the details in a book for 5 quid and do the show by the end of the week. You're just like the magicians of old:
YOU GUARD AN EMPTY SAFE!
You and your new mate Mindpunisher (The Café's answer to Harry Potter's 'Dobby').
I see you're still quoting me from past times. I shouldn't do that if I were you Danny. Trust me, you've made many major clangers in here in the past. In fact you're a bit of a crazy mixed up kid in reality.
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Hey Bobser lets do it as a bet. I put money in an account and it is verrified. Enough to cover expenses and the grand prize. Then you get here and if you can meet the challenge you get the money. If not all you have lost is the price of the trip. Sounds fair huh? Bluffing? Hardly.

Point out the clangers or shut up. Show me how I am a crazy mixed up kid in reality. You make charges but never back them up. (by the way you talk about confused, you mention buts and anal tweeking a LOT. Wonder why...)

Called out? Are you kidding me? Lets do it exactly as I have said. You have your attorney verrify the money is in the account.

Now what university training do you have Bobser?

My life is about facing reality you dolt. I want you to prove you can do what you say you can do and I want to see it. I am willing to bet money that you can't do it. Easy enough way to have a free vacation and make a grand.

We guard nothing. We freely tell people what they need to know. Not fantasy land bull that you spout.

Again this is a forum for STAGE HYPNOSIS, not the delusional ramblings of psychotic morons who assault people at random and call it hypnosis.

So there I have PUT UP, now what say you? My guess is you will use weasle words to back out of it. Better than Branson, you are close to mindpunisher. Why not just show HIM what you can do? If he tells me you were able to do this to a large number of people... say 4 out of 10 I will concede.
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Danny has just created the definition of a head HACK >>> the delusional ramblings of psychotic morons who assault people at random and call it hypnosis.<<<<

Seems like we are all making progress.
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I should write a book and have a seminar!

Now I should clarify that there is work that is done by John Cerbone, and Richard Nongard which they call Speedtrance. They make no crazy claims, they actually cover the process quite well.
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Why don't you all just flop your chaps out on the measuring table...
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You are in southern Cal. There are soooo many good trainings in your area. Contact http://www.TOMSILVER.com and have some fun while learning the facts.

bobser is correct, there is a percentage. But you are as likely to be able to walk up to a stranger and pick out the man wearing panties under his suit. There are covert techniques, but most of them are not pure hypnosis, but rather methods of control with hypnotic elements. But there must be a combination of innate personlity characteristics on the part of both. But unless you are planning on strting a cult, its a rather useless skill to attempt to develop. Learning real hypnosis, the scientific kid, that can help you have fun AND help people is an easy task.
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I disagree. I am not in the business of increasing suggestibility levels - certainly not to 'hyper' levels. That is your trance and I am sure you are very good at living with that. I would wager that most if not every waking hypnosis video or performance I have given was done without an induction. Isn't that the major point? They occur before the induction? Oh but then you have pointed out that every suggestion is an induction. Kinda got me there. Asking me if the suggestions I give take place before an induction. The induction is just a suggestion. Not special. Not required. All that is required is a first suggestion.

You have not seen this in 20 years because you are a one trick pony living a sheltered life. You are astonished when someone does a magic trick impromptu I've heard. You certainly cannot do such a thing yourself.

You rant about things you cannot do and generalise your lack of ability to the subject and hypnotists as a whole.

Get out more. Try harder.

Please tell us about what you did for Mercedez again? It reminds me of Erickson... 'I had a client once...'.

Get a job. Try harder.

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Fine then you take my challenge Ant. Walk up to 10 people I point out at random. Sounds to me like at least 5 of them should work right?

I am sick of the claims and sick of the BS. Show up and do it. Really. Show me how wrong I really am. I would LOVE to see it.
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On 2011-01-16 09:21, Anthony Jacquin wrote:
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On 2011-01-15 20:30, nikstokes wrote:
Is there any good resources that speak of waking hypnosis? I'd love to learn more about that as well.


You can get all the 'waking hypnosis' exercises you might ever need from McGill's encyclopedia. Although according to one of his students, he never saw McGill use them. You can also get great resources by looking at some of the free material from James Tripp 'Hypnosis Without Trance'.

You can also accept there is zero difference in the subjects potential response pre and post induction. That's right. The induction makes no difference to their 'level of suggestibility'. Because the induction is really just another suggestion. This is one area the science is absolutely clear on. Drop the terms waking and sleeping and just start giving suggestions. I recommend you avoid getting sucked into the world of trance and sleep and suggestibility levels. This will save you time.

You will find you can Hack Heads so much more comfortably and reliably and safely when you accept it is just a relationship and all your engage is their imagination and perceived sense of involuntariness.

Feel free to PM me with any questions.

Anthony


Hey Anthony,

I pmed you, not sure if you got it. If you didn't get it, I can resend it.
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