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truesoldier
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Hi Guys

I have been working on a detective coin type routine, whereby a coin finds a selected signed card. However, I am having trouble with coming up an interesting / entertaining presentation. Currently I am saying that this is a detective coin and I'm about to send it on a mission etc. The coin then vanishes and appears in the deck on top of the selected card while everything is in the spectators hands.

Now don't get me wrong the above patter idea works fine and the mechanics are smooth. But I know that with better presentation this effect can be taken to the next level and that is where I need some help. Therefore if any of you are willing to share your ideas or point me in the right direction of some good presentational ideas then I would be most grateful.

Many Thanks
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Do you own Dishonest Abe by Gregory Wilson? Pretend you're Sherlock Holmes and use the magnifying glass to do your detective work in counterfeit coins, and finding a "criminal card" etc. This will give you a nice routine with the coins and deck of cards.
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Thanks Douglas, that's quite a nice idea, I'll have to play around with that idea.

All other suggestions are still very welcome.
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What if instead of saying "the coin" was A detective coin. (using a really old/odd coin) Instead the coin actually belong to Dr. Joseph Bell, The man Sherlock Holmes was based on. Bell believe the coin to be his lucky coin, and would offten flip it to help make decisions in high profile cases, which he eventually solved..........50% of the time..lol


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Try writing a script along the lines of a Dashiell Hammett story, the Hardboiled detective crime fiction type, exaggerate it a little to keep it light and humorous, something like this….

"Mike Hardware was the kind of private eye who didn't know the meaning of the word 'fear'; a man who could laugh in the face of danger and spit in the eye of death -- in short, a moron with suicidal tendencies."
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Truesoldier,

What coins do you have available for use in this effect? Any of them lend themselves to a take on this presentation? What type cards are you using? With cardbox or no? Is the selected card a force- ie. specific character? Why is the detective in pursuit of this individual? I may have more questions. Smile Best wishes! Smile
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I used to do that - where the sharpie pen they used to sign the card is also used to mark the coin - a clue to match so to speak- when doing the Jennings trick. In the library I used the stack of cards to be filed, the card for their book and the stamp on their coin. Smile
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Do you have the routine yet? Most of the time, once the trick is routined its a matter of performing it over and over, letting the patter evolve. If you don't have a routine yet, you can try Case Solved from the NYCMS dvd series, where a signed coin vanishes to find the missing card that has left the deck and was hiding in the card case, or Roth's more formal presentation on another volume, where a coin vanishes into the deck to find the.card.
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Miguel Angel Gia (sp?) has my favorite presentation for this, but it's not for everyone. It involves kissing the coin a lot.

For you, I'd have to ask--what's your favorite cop show? People are devoted to their crime procedurals, and it's already affecting what juries expect from the police as proof. Thanks to CSI, you could talk about the minute fibers left at the scene. If you're a Law and Order fan, "the sound" can be the magic word. If you like NCIS, definitely dope slap somebody.

I've always thought that this is a good effect to lead to another. Do you know Jay Sankey's "Royal Rivet"? See Richard's Almanac.
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Is there an easy way to get that "tong tong" sound recorded and set up for easy playback? You know, each step toward the end disclosure gets its sound cue. Smile
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Thank you so much for the many suggestions, they are all valuable and really appreciated.

Magicalaurie, in brief to answer your questions. I have quite a few coins that I can use for this effect such as Walking Liberty and Kennedy Half Dollars, I also have English Half Crowns and Old Victorian English Pennies, In addition I also have Chinese coins and Mexican coins.

I am playing around with all the options in order to help with the patter / presentation. e.g old English Half Crowns for the Sherlock Holmes theme or Old Victorian Pennies Can be introduced as an assistant. The walking Liberty Eagle design can be used as flying coin or homing coin etc. I'm still playing around with ideas, but I'm sure you get the picture.

The selected card is a free choice and I'm not using a box (Although I could if I wanted to) The detective is looking for the spectators finger prints.

Michael Rubinstein, I do indeed have a routine (The Mechanics that lead to the out come along with some ideas for Patter) Although I am looking at taking this to the next level through a polished and entertaining presentation, well that is my aim for this piece.

Curtis Kam, Jonathan Townsend, Spcarlson and Joe, thank you for you great ideas I will definitely look into all of these as well.

Please Feel free to keep the the suggestions and questions coming if you so desire.

Many Thanks To You All
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Jonathan,

Paul Romhany put the "tong tong" sounf sound for download on his website for all his clients that purchased his effect "CSI - The case of the half died Hank".

I can't tell you if everybody could downlaod this edited sound.

Other solution : Download a part of this TV serie, convert it to an audio file and then edit it yourself with a sound program on your computer.

Oliver.
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Quote:
On 2011-01-18 19:29, truesoldier wrote:
...The walking Liberty Eagle design can be used as flying coin or homing coin etc....


I like that alot! Of course I'm partial to animal/nature themes. Smile An eagle eye could also see things others might miss...

Thanks for answering my questions- sounds like you're doing your homework- best of luck! I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Laurie
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Thanks Laurie, Once I've worked it all out and I have everything polished, I'll be sure to let you know. (Hey I might even put up a video performance)

Speak Soon
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I would suggest you to make Magic your detective and the coin only as the tool "magic" uses. Stories where props are impersonated are very difficult (even if not impossible) to get a real adult sustained interest into for such stories do not easily generate a suspension of disbelief. Doing the same trick with how "magic" can help you in real life to find what you seek is easier for people to psychologically project into.
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