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helder Inner circle Portugal 1065 Posts |
I'm thinking about working with a consultant to create my next Christmas and birthday shows for kids, any of you have tried it?
Any sugestions, recomendations? Who work as a consultant? Thanks for your attention, Helder
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MagicB1S Inner circle Knoxville Tenn. 1039 Posts |
Are you a member of the IBM or any other magic club that meets regularly? If so you can bring your act there perform it and let them critique it and help you fine tune it, Just a thought.
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helder Inner circle Portugal 1065 Posts |
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On 2011-01-18 19:29, MagicB1S wrote: No. I'm from Portugal.
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Red Shadow Inner circle 1788 Posts |
Stick it on YouTube and post the links here. I'm sure the kind magicians on this forum won't rip it to pieces, sorry critique it for you.
Seriously though, put an act together that your happy with first. Once you have that, perform for free at a local after-school club and see how it goes. Make a mental note of how each trick went and was perceived and write it all out in a diary for the first few shows at least. You'll make many mistakes, but that's what happens when starting from scratch. Don't be discouraged, stick at it and adapt accordingly. The best consultant you can have are the kids themselves. Adults will only tell you to do what they think the children will find funny, not what the children actually find funny. And if you have younger siblings in the family, try it all out in them first. |
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Leland Inner circle St Louis 1180 Posts |
Wow ku7, great advice. Listen to your target audience the kids.
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BIGmagiclV Veteran user 375 Posts |
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On 2011-01-18 19:50, ku7uk3 wrote: "Bitter, table for one. Bitter?" |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I'm a bit confused here. If you have no other magicians in Portugal that you can network with there must not be very many working magicians in Portugal. Is hiring a consultant the way someone gets his chops in Portugal? To my way of thinking magicians, magic organizations, and magic audiences must grow at the same rate or the equasion just won't work.
Just my wacky thoughts
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helder Inner circle Portugal 1065 Posts |
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On 2011-01-18 21:24, Al Angello wrote: There aren't a lot of kids magicians in Portugal. So, hiring a pro for build a great show seems to be a, not bad solution. I want the best for my audience, so I do everything for give them the best I can at each moment, at each show. Thanks Helder
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wizardpa Inner circle The New Orleans area 1011 Posts |
Why would this consultant be such an expert?
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
That is exactly what I was thinking. If you buy a copy of "Seriously Silly" you will have a very inexpensive consultant for your Portugese children's magic show.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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rossmacrae Inner circle Arlington, Virginia 2475 Posts |
I'm going to disagree with most of the above and agree with you.
Don't say "consultant," say "director." Get your show the way you're happy with, and then let the director direct. I just looked at videos of my show 20 years ago ... the show I was so incredibly proud of (and rightly so, in many respects) ... and immediately wondered "why didn't I see all these obvious flaws back then?" I'd never have gotten effective feedback from the amateurs at the magic clubs (dedicated amateurs, but still amateurs). An experienced director would likely have noticed how badly I let my voice do the entertaining and let my body do anything it wanted to, and how my laugh-moments depended far too much on the same yell and jump, and how I failed to vary the pace at all. |
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wizardpa Inner circle The New Orleans area 1011 Posts |
If you have a video camera you can film yourself and see what flaws you have. I'm not sure why some director/consultant would be so special when it comes to kids magic. Remember, the original post says doing a show for kids.
I can see hiring a director if one was going to do a large stage show. |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
When you say that "you want the best for your audience" it sounds to me like you are talking about a Las Vegas review, and not a kids birthday party. IMHO for a kid show you'de be better off with a show that will make them laugh, and be able to hold their attention for 45 minutes. The ability to do that comes from honing your act, and not from buying a new one. To my way of thinking you would have to refine a new act for years before you could call it your own. There is no advantage to starting from scratch.
Of course there are magicians that do a whole new show every year, but I'm not one of them. I like to introduce a new routine, or two every year.
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
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On 2011-01-19 14:34, wizardpa wrote: Because a director can look at your act OBJECTIVELY. They can see what you are really putting out, not what you 'think' you are putting out. They are not attached to your ideas. They aren't influenced by your fantasies. So many magicians think they look one way, or that an idea is clear. A director sees you as you are and deal with what's on stage, not what's in your mind. A good director knows things about communicating from the stage that the average magician doesn't. We have our skill sets, they have theirs. Quote:
On 2011-01-19 20:36, Al Angello wrote: An audience is an audience. Why would you want to give one less than your best simply because they are comprised of young people? And just because you do an act for years is no guarantee it will be a good act. Homing requires thought and evaluation; evaluation of what the audience actually sees, not what we 'think' they see. A skilled director will do a far better job determining if your act REALLY is funny and actually holds attention than you will. |
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wizardpa Inner circle The New Orleans area 1011 Posts |
Gee, lets see, I've done kids magic shows where only 4 children were present, and I've done shows with a Caféteria filled with children grades K-6th. I find that children, boys and girls are somewhat the same from ages 5-7. I find that they act a little different at 8 and 9. I find 10 year old and older children different. There are also shows/audiences with ages from 3 to 13.
Then of course, I have to wonder if the consultant has any experience with children. What age audience is he going to create the magic show for? Does the consultant/director even have any experience with kids magic, and effects create for kids? Anyone here that has done any amount of magic shows knows how different each show might be. Right at Christmas while I was performing a 2-3 year old walked up to my table and just stood there. He turned around and started to touch my Santa in the chimney. Posted: Jan 20, 2011 11:30pm Oh and I even forgot to mention the amount of kid shows that are done outside, in either 96* weather or as in my last show 52*s. I also remember the shows I've done with wind gusts of 30MPH. Then the 2 shows that I did in a single wide trailers. Posted: Jan 20, 2011 11:38pm Look at what Dennis Michael wrote about routining school shows, kid shows, illusion shows. He covers just about everything. |
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helder Inner circle Portugal 1065 Posts |
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On 2011-01-19 20:36, Al Angello wrote: When I say I want the best for my audience it's for all places where I will perform that show. I don't care if it's in Las Vegas or in Ethiopia,in a large party or in a kids birthday party, in TV or in my house,as a professional I have to do the best I can at each moment. And I have to make them laugh, hold their attention in every place too. Quote:
On 2011-01-19 14:34, wizardpa wrote: Why is a large stage show more important than a show for kids?
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Red Shadow Inner circle 1788 Posts |
I'm a firm believer that nobody has a bad show, but the older they get, the wiser they become and looking back at old videos can actually put a wrong image of your show in your mind.
I look back at some of my old videos and cringe but then I'm looking at them in the context of 2011. The show I did in 2006 was perfect for my character and audiences at that time. They were just as well received as my shows are today, even if my current show now includes puppets and backdrops etc. There is also a degree of video perception at play. You cannot recapture the 'live' feeling that you only get from being there, especially if your video footage is single camera, left on the window-sill without any close-ups etc. Your perception looking back at the video will be muddled with the dull, non-changing camera-shot which can cloud your interpretation of the shows appeal. Videos are always a useful learning tool, but the same show can look completely different with 3 cameras, 3 cameramen, lights, backdrop, microphones and a school audiences of children. The same exact show done without a backdrop, in the local scout hut in front of the window, to a mixed aged audience with parents talking in the back and teenagers heckling you, and sweets being served with latecomers etc. All single camera just left on the back wall with heads walking across. It gives you a wrong impression of what you show was actually accomplishing with its audience due to all the distractions, bad on-board camera microphone sound and zero camera movements. Just remember that when watching old footage back. Your not usually as bad as you think you are. |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Helder
Your original request was for a childrens birthday party show, and after I answered your original question you started moving the goal posts on me. Your request is getting vaguer, and vaguer, and I'm afraid I can't help you if your needs keep changing.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Working with a theatre director in plays has helped my one person show a lot.
I have also had success working with a director in developing new mime routines. (back in the days when I had my hair and better control of my body) This was for development of a mime routine to Red Skelton's Pledge of Allegiance. Mr. Skelton was to appear at the stadium of the University of Nevada at Reno. He was to ill to make the engagement, and casino staff asked me to create the bit. Side note: the papers wrote up the "step in" and wrongly said I was asked by Red Skelton. Of course I did not ask them for a retraction. A mentor can be helpful at the right time. It does not have to be another magician.
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helder Inner circle Portugal 1065 Posts |
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On 2011-01-21 11:35, Al Angello wrote: Moving the goal posts!!! What is my post where my needs change? When I say my audience, it's the kids and my last 2 posts it's the answers, my points of view of other members posts. I have David Kaye book, dvd and lots of dvds and books about kids shows, but I still think, until someone proves me otherwise that working with other magicians (with more experience), can help create a better show. Also a director too. Thanks Helder
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