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Lucid_Dark New user 5 Posts |
I’ve been reading J.B Bobo's books, and watching a David Roth video, but I still can’t get the hang of the Classic Coin Palm. I can get it in my hand but it will look rigid and anyone can easily tell that there is something in it. When I try to straighten my hand to look more natural, the coin falls out. Could anyone give me some advice???
Cheers, L :spinningcoin:
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
The only advice that I can give you on this matter is to use a fifty cent coin with good milling on the edge. I don't really do much in the way of coin magic and when I do it is usually a quarter that I use. I can usually borrow a quarter but most of the time it is impossible to borrow a fifty cent piece. Something you might try doing is using a cap off of a soda or beer bottle, just until you get a good feel for the palm. The better the milling on the coins edge, the easier it is to hold onto. Of course, once you can palm a good, milled coin, you will need to practice with old, small, large and smooth edged coins, because in the "real world" you never know what someone may hand you. You may also want to invest in a few Palming Coins to see if that helps. I hope that this is of some help to you. Good luck and you will eventually get it if you really want to, it just may take a little more time than you expected.
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Lucid_Dark New user 5 Posts |
Thanx alot Irossall, the helps much appreciated
L
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Mark Martinez Inner circle Wisconsin 1276 Posts |
Lucid_Dark, were you able to do the classic palm? If you are still having problems with it feel free to PM me, and I will help you with it!
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
Personal lessons are much more, well personal.
Check out Dan Watkins site for videos as well as your local IBM or SAM. You get it the same way you get to Carnegie Hall or the Magic Castle. Practice Practice Practice. IMHO you will find certain coins easier. Some do better with heavy milling. Some prefer the slickness of i.e. an English penny. Try it in your non dominant hand. Sometimes I learn things easier with my left versus my right hand. Naturalness(is that a word Grammar Person) is an interesting thing. What may look natural in my programs may be very un-natural in other peoples work. Back in 76 I was taught to do a coin roll while palming something. (coin, ball.....) Then it was suggested that I do two coins in a roll while classic Palming something. Then it was suggested that I do two coins in a roll while classic palming two coins.(then three....you get the idea.) Lately I am playing with C.P ing from the palm out a dime, penny, nickel, quarter and half. and don't get ahead of me. "Producing each coin and then individually doing a coin roll, before placing it on the table and then producing the next coin. That is producing the half then rolling it, set it down, produce the quarter, roll it...... Yep a man with too much time on his hands. Or is it as Mr. Slydini said, "toooooo many coins......" Harris "Palms of Aluminum Foil" Deutsch Laughologist
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what Special user Lehi, UT, USA 643 Posts |
Be sure to check out the Web site http://www.coinvanish.com and click on the "Foundations" section. Dan Watkins has published the best description (with some great visual aides) of the classic palm that I have ever seen.
And remember that you are conditioning muscles and you can't do it all in just a few months. You should have some success in a couple of days, though. Good luck Mike
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Lucid_Dark New user 5 Posts |
Well, that's some food for thought, thanks all for the advice, I'm just going to do some solid practicing for a couple of weeks/months/however long it takes to master it. Thanks again for all of your help, It's very much appreciated.
Lucid
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magicfan456 New user 59 Posts |
Hi,
I too have been focusing on getting a good classic palm Somethings that have helped me are carrying coins everywhere and palming them while doing other things. Try to palm 3 or 4 and then go back to 1. Also, I found that palming a golf ball for a week helped a lot! It's a bit frustrating at first, but eventually you'll get it Good luck! |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Hi,
I'm also working on my palm. I've found it important to remind myself that the coin does not go in the center of the palm, but lower down, in the bottom third of the palm. landmark
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Jemy Regular user 128 Posts |
Thanks for the link "what" the classic palm is very well teach in fact. The classic palm is not an easy sleight it requires a lot of practice in order to be comfortable with and the muscle need to be stronger. That's why in the beginning it feel strange
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Lucid_Dark New user 5 Posts |
I was looking at the link earlier, and I realized I was using the wrong muscle for the pinky side of the coin. Where it says you should apply pressure, I cant move the muscle there. Does it just need to develop, or am do I just have something wrong me??
Waiting for your advice, Lucid
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Dave Le Fevre Inner circle UK 1666 Posts |
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what Special user Lehi, UT, USA 643 Posts |
When I started, I found it much easier to palm a quarter than a half dollar. Now I find the opposite is true.
You might want to try a couple of different sized coins. You should be able to do it by simply following Dan Watkins instructions, even though it will feel a little awkward at first. Now I palm coins at work when I type, or whenever I get up from my desk. I have been working on multiple coins too. That golf ball idea sounds good, as I would like to do a little ball manipulation anyway. Good luck, Mike
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Threeatms New user 56 Posts |
Really focus on forming the V in your hand. I have small hands and I'm doing just fine with a $0.50 (WL). First place the coin in the right position then flip your hand over. Your thumb and pinky will be a little more tucked than normal but once you relax the other fingers it becomes hardly noticeable.
Once you can hold it in that position start moving the fingers around slightly while keeping the coin in place. After that is comfortable, take each finger and touch it to your thumb. This helps you work on grabbing other items while palming a coin. The next step is to start picking items up which can be more challenging. Oh, I almost forgot! Practice with both hands. Doesn't take much more to put a coin in each hand and work the muscles simultaneously! Lately, I'm working on my palming skills while typing at work. Still difficult but it is getting better. Now, my question for this thread is which palm do you think is the second most important to learn? |
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magicfan456 New user 59 Posts |
Hi,
After the classic palm, I think the finger and thumb palms are most important. With these three you can do some pretty good vanishes and tricks. |
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Threeatms New user 56 Posts |
What exercises would you recommend for the finger and thumb palm to gain muscle memory and work on angles/windows?
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
There are a number of things you can do to improve your classic palm. One that has been touched upon briefly is to change the size of the coin. You might find that a silver dollar size coin will work better for you.
One problem that happens early on is trying to apply too much muscular pressure. These are coins. Even a silver dollar weighs only an ounce. It doesn't take much pressure to keep them in place. Also, more of the pressure comes from the thumb side of the coin than the pinky side. Constant palming is one of the keys to success in this.
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what Special user Lehi, UT, USA 643 Posts |
As to the question of which palm to learn next:
I think that if you can classic palm(multiple coins), finger palm and thumb palm (and get into and out of the palms naturally), there are many excellent effects that are fun to do and fun to watch available to you. I also have been working on the Downs palm as it requires a great deal of practice and I believe muscle training. I'm not sure what effects to do with it yet though. While we are on the subject of what to learn next ( or perhaps simultaneously), I recommend working on your fake transfers (take, put, retention Vanish). And by all means, learn a simple routine of "Two in the Hand, One in the Pocket" so that you have something to practice all of these great sleights with and entertain people. Advice from a fellow newbie for what it's worth, Mike
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
CP comes from spending time with a coin in your hand. Beyond the basic idea of what someone's hand looks like with a coin palmed, there is little to read about and study from books/videos. It is ALL about YOU SPENDING TIME WITH A COIN GETTING A FEEL FOR WHERE YOU CAN GRIP THE COIN.
Some things you can learn by watching. This one is about actual feel and practice.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
When you are working on your CP, it is very important to know what your hand looks like "at rest." Then you will understand how your hand needs to look when it is "dirty."
Also, regarding what "What" said about learning your fake transfers, etc., make sure you know what it really looks like when you actually place an object into your hand. That's what it must look like when you do the fake transfer. The same thing is true when you are allegedly picking up an object. Practice the "real" move first, so you know what you are trying to achieve, before you learn the "fake" move. Also, when you practice a fake transfer or a retention vanish or ANY OTHER SLEIGHT, practice the "silent script" that goes along with it. This means, for example, that when you are doing a false placement, you actually think "I am placing the coin into my left hand. My left hand is closing around the coin, and my right hand is empty." Let your right hand drop to your side and make your right arm relax completely. Think to yourself, "I feel the weight and bulk of the coin in my left hand." This will make your work much more convincing to the audience. It sounds silly, but believe me, if you don't convince yourself that you are actually placing the coin into your hand, you won't convince your audience, either.
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