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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
@SimonCard
When I stack (I mean holding back spacers) with my left hand, I don't need to look for 1 to 5 card. That's why I can go fast. But for 6 or 7, mainly for going fast, I need to . |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Sadly my computer will not play your films properly; it breaks up, pixelating etcetera and yet it plays other films on different programs nicely.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
You're cursed. (or you have an Apple computer, which is the same).
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MarcoLostSomething Regular user 144 Posts |
Nice one!
I usually can do "good" until 5 cards: then I can hit 6 sometimes, but I start to fail. I can feel up to 4 cards, then I have to look.. But my main problem is a slight hesitation when I want to "check" if I'm holding the right amount, before dropping them. Thanks for sharing! |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
If one has to use moves, generally speaking shuffle work is the most deceptive, least detectable and safest way to go. When you get into bottom dealing (which I have not seen used under fire in years), second dealing and especially hand mucking, slick sleeves and machine work, if you are caught you might have a hard time explaining yourself out of the situation. With shuffle work, assuming you do it well, usually the worst that can happen is you are suspected and can back-off (if you are smart), before confronted. It is on the selecting and locating of the cards and the cut itself where you are the most vulnerable of getting caught with riffle stacking, not on the actual stacking move itself. Of course, most of this would not be a problem in demonstrations.
There are different levels of shuffle work, which range from controlling just a few cards for location play, which is relatively easy to do but can be made very elaborate, on up to controlling large blocks or the whole deck and the most difficult and deceptive of all, stacking cards from wherever they lie in the deck after the pickup. The again, running up from the bottom is in a whole different world as anyone who may have tried will know and usually requires a somewhat different technique. Arnold does a nice job with the practice regimen shown. Years ago when was using these moves and when riffle stacking was little known, I would do something similar except it would be both right and left at the same time, which I am sure Arnold has tried and can also do. 1x1, 2x2, 3x3, 3x4, 5x4 etc., and all the variations thereof and then hour after hour of achieving speed and smoothness without hesitation. Arnold and Joey are good role models for the demonstrators and hobbyists on this BB who are looking to master some of these moves and it is nice to see there are a number of favorable responses of appreciation for their efforts. It is beneficial to see someone who does these moves well on video so one has something to strive for and as an added plus...it is all for free. |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
I always think riffling stacking is one of most difficult things in card moves, and it's one of things I wish to master. However, I have this thought that I'm not sure if I can ever get better because I feel like riffle stacking is much different than other moves like bottom dealing or palming. The other moves are basically techniques which through practice it's built into muscle memory. So I know I can get better after lots of practice. But riffle stacking seems depending more on the "feel", I'm not confident that my "feeling" can be trained better. What are your thought?
Thanks a lot. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
@Cag
Here's another one for you, I posted a few months ago on my Facebook page. Basically it's demonstrating that I can use both hands: http://arnoldmcdonald.org/temp/ambidextrous_paradigm.avi Before you ask or wonder, I can go more faster. But it's not necessary. In the games I played, if something had to be avoided at all cost, it was speed. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
@AMcD
Yes, that is another good way to practice using both hands. Regarding speed, no one in his right mind would use great speed and adroitness in any game. That is only for the Forte school of demonstrators, not for real card games. But you already know that. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On Dec 2, 2016, SimonCard wrote: I think one would want to do it primarily by sight first while learning. Then the "feel" gets developed as you practice. That is how I learned. A very nice riffle stack can be done with both sight and feel. Of course, when I say sight I am not referring to gunning the deck on the shuffle. But causally looking at the cards while shuffling is "normal." |
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chappy Special user 764 Posts |
Nice job Arnold. Thanks.
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
@Simon
Riffle stacking is a long road to walk on. It's not a difficult concept, as you only need to insert cards between others. But if you want to use the right pace, avoid hesitation as much as you can... it's a lot of practice. Never forget that if you make a SINGLE mistake, you won't win the round (worse, one of your opponent may win it, with the cards YOU stacked). If you signalled your accomplice that you are about to stack his Full House, he will push a big bet. If you failed... I'd say that the master key to work is rhythm. I say it again rhythm. Speed is for casino dealers at best. You don't need to be fast if you have a good and natural rhythm. To me, stacking is one of the best weapon. There is nothing they can suspect if you do it well. Even with a slowmo camera. You are shuffling cards, period. About staring at the deck, etc. I have nothing to add to what Cag said. |
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
@Cagliostro @AMcD
Thank yall for the tips and suggestions. AMcD. For the two drills you demo'ed, do you only care about the stacking hand or do you at the same time care about how many cards you are holding back with the other hand? Thanks a lot. I like this drill and I think I'm gonna practice it. |
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Lysander New user 2 Posts |
Great thread. Thanks!
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Sure Arnold...
Nobody, and I mean no body, not even you, can be this skillful doing a riffle stack drill wearing two pairs of heavy gloves. No body... You obviously had the video doctored by the Chinese, or you are using a Mene-Tekel deck. You are going to have to get up earlier in the morning to try to fool me with something like this. By the way, did you deal some of those face down cards from the center? |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
What I can tell you is that it's not done by feel... as you feel absolutely nothing at your fingertips, lol.
It's not doctored at all but there are certainly sleights easier to do than this one. It's 25% done by eyesight and 75% out of habit I'd say. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
@AMcD: Okay, take a much deserved bow...
But...I'll bet you can't do your favorite move, the Zarrow Shuffle, with gloves on. Wait...on second thought, maybe you can. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
You know my aversion for the Zarrow... That said, I doubt it's difficult to do.
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SimonCard Special user 601 Posts |
I want to see AMcD doing a zarrow too. jajaja
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MarcoLostSomething Regular user 144 Posts |
Cag, I'm surprised you didn't notice it: Arnold used the 2 pairs of gloves mainly to conceal the dangerous "AMcD's Grip", as the curled fingers are perfectly hidden.
Good job Arnold! I'm starting to think that the rings are the real "real work" |
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