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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Richard,
This is very well explained and there are valuable piont concerning the business and it's working elsewhere then in the U.S.A.. Thank you very much. Yes it would be great to get a balanced situation of magic and specially illusion business in Europe and other countries due to their local average income. I don't know if a few have tried already to get in contact with some of well known illusion creators as Jim Steinmeyer, but it would be interesting to get some feedback about this and the how and why it works or didn't worked. Me too, I believe, that those countries might have some very skilled people to do the job as demanded. I believe that until now, no illusion builder in Europe or Asia had got an agreement with an illusion inventor of the U.S.A.. Oliver. |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Richard it was a great post compliments.
Oliver , already few tried ask the licenses but the US builders and Creators prefer this situationand , they don't want change, look like they prefer continue loose the money like this , anyway no one out of US will follow their old idea , what do more? |
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AmazingEARL Veteran user Tennessee, USA 350 Posts |
Will you be replying to my post from yesterday, Marcus?
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On 2011-07-06 18:26, AmazingEARL wrote: Dan |
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Dixie Loyal user 219 Posts |
Be careful Marcus.
Following my line of arguments would probably lead to illusions which are more expensive than now, at least from a western Europe point of view. Right now, a strong Euro and/or weak US$ gives us already a real advantage if we buy in USA. Producing in western Europe means also relatively high labour cost. My example fits to China, India, Indonesia. Whether it also fits to western Europe, I am not able to say. I spent too many years outside and I am not really familiar with South-European cost structure. Personally I believe that production in eastern Europe (Czech Republic for example) could make sense and the innovators of illusions would definitely get more fees if there would be east European production for sales also in western Europe. Right now they probably get more or less nothing and if Dominik would be able to built according to the original plans, I could imagine to also buy there, just because of the easier shipment and because there are no custom issues within most of the European countries. I just think about my last import of real Katanas as part of the Origami from John Gaughan from US. I needed to discuss German weapons law for swords with such a long blade Regards Richard |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Dan do whatever you want and do what is possible to be done under the laws.
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AmazingEARL Veteran user Tennessee, USA 350 Posts |
I do not plan to do any of that, Marcus. Just using it as an example. This is an ethical issue, not a legal one.
Naturally we do not wish to do what is illegal. According to the "Policy" written on Dominik's website, they wish to do what is ethical. Selling Kub Zags without the inventor's permission does not follow that. I am just trying to understand. Is this new policy is only for certain illusions/creators or for all? |
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natmagic Veteran user USA 301 Posts |
My advice - stay well clear of Dominiks magic - it seems this Marcus character (obviously Dominick) spends all his time trying to argue in favour of his company, when everybody else is against him. That should tell you enough to stay well away from this company that has a bad name in the business.
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Mike Maturen Inner circle Michigan's Beautiful Sunrise Side 2726 Posts |
I have posted a couple of times that I think Markus is really Dominik...but no reply...which ought to tell us something.
Mike Maturen
World of Wonder Entertainment The Magic and Mayhem of Mike Maturen 989-335-1661 mikematuren@gmail.com AUTHOR OF "A NEW DAWN--Weekly Wisdom From Everyday Life" member: International Magician's Society |
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AmazingEARL Veteran user Tennessee, USA 350 Posts |
I haven't seen anything that would indicate that Marcus is Dominik.
However his intimate knowledge of people's correspondence with the company made me believe he works for them. ...and his first post in this thread confirmed that. Dan |
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
He is working for Dominik Magic and he told us !
quote from another posting of Markus.magic send february 5th, 2011 : Hi Lavey , I'm Marcus from Dominik magic , wich scammers do you mean? for any info contact me here privately or contact us directly from our website email , thanks. Marcus end quote Oliver. |
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Mike Maturen Inner circle Michigan's Beautiful Sunrise Side 2726 Posts |
I guess the reason I thought that he might be Dominik is that he was so completely passionate about defending this well-known rip-off artist...even to the point of ignoring the plain facts.
Mike Maturen
World of Wonder Entertainment The Magic and Mayhem of Mike Maturen 989-335-1661 mikematuren@gmail.com AUTHOR OF "A NEW DAWN--Weekly Wisdom From Everyday Life" member: International Magician's Society |
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John Taylor Regular user Australia 136 Posts |
So when did this so called new policy of not ripping off other people illusion designs start from? And where is my signed paper from Dominik Magic saying that no more copies of Suspended Animation would be made? He promised to email it to me over a year ago and I'm still waiting? He can email me it to info@suspendedanimationillusion.com and back date it. But I bet I don't see anything!
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
John you talk soo much for my tasty,
especially when you talk whitout ceck the sistuation or know it directly , and this is just because you like accuse (I know it's your best sport), if you will be at the Dominik workshop you will be welcome when ever you will come there and talk directly , I know you are the Bill Smith puppet , but , sometimes try to use also your brain. you had that document from Dominik that promise , what more you want from Dominik ? his signature whit his blood ? how you can be shure on what you are saying ? you talk like this simply because maybe you heard somethings from someone , maybe wrong or from somewhere but never ask directly ..... this is not the right way to do the things, and if you will accuse someone for this reasons this is only ridicoulos because you don't5 know really and direcly the things , I will hope you are not like a Parrot when someone tell you something and you repeat it simply because you heard it! go there talk directly and ceck if you want whit Dominik's son ( the new owner), This is not a problem if you want , you will understand better all the situations, and not only dream ( as you friend already mentioned) on a perfect world where in evry coutry a magician will perform only asking someone if he can, or , buying only from one builder in the world ( and of course whitout any patents and nothing) |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
John ,
you know my grandfather one day told me this : if you are against someone and you can't win against him/them be whit him /them , now , I don't know if you feel a winner or a looser on this world magic builders war, you will choose how you will feel by youself , but after I hope you will decide what will be better for you , of course is betteralways do what is the best for you, and not only do what others say you to do. |
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John Taylor Regular user Australia 136 Posts |
Who's the one that talks too much on this site?
My apologies I just checked my records and we did receive a signed letter on the 15/11/2010 from Mr Martorana Francesco (Owner of Dominik Magic) promising not to build the Suspended Animation illusion. Sorry but I have been asking for the signed paper for a while now and when I'm busy chasing other rip off's around the world it's hard to keep track of things. Yes I received the letter on the 15/11/2010 but the promise of building no more Suspended Animation was about a year before I received the letter. So why do I happen to see ads by Dominik Magic and pics of fake Suspended Animations being sold on Circus websites like the one I saw on the 23/3/2011? last year less then 1 month before I got the signed promise from Dominik Magic he was trying to sell a new SUSPENDED ANIMATION for 5500 Euro to a client which shall remain anonymous? And that's just 2 things I know for a fact! What about Dominik Magic recently emailing me asking to get approval on a so called new version of Suspended Animation what they are wanting to call Son of Suspended Animation and then asking me for my blessing to release it in the hopes of paying me a royalty but NOT wanting to even show me a picture of their design? I mentioned to them that the Suspended Animation that we already sell can be performed 2 man and surrounded and that by changing the box doesn't make it any different. They mentioned it was still the same cloth handling etc... I hope you have given up on that venture now? You ask how can I be sure of what I am saying is correct? Because I speak the facts and the truth, I wish the same thing could be said for you. BTW What's your real name MARCUS.MAGIC? Isn't it Angelo Fabrice Milella? The same person that emailed me for Dominik Magic asking my permission for Dominik Magic to build Son of Suspended Animation? For years you have been bad mouthing me on this site. It's you that really needs to pull your head in as half the time I'm just answering your contradicting time wasting emails. Signed Bill Smith's so called puppet John Taylor |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
John I will suggest you to take some pharms ,
you are too confused , talking whit a friends of me from the workshop he told me they are already waiting from you a document wrote better than how Dominik can do ( of course they don't speak a good english as you can )so you can do better and exaclty as you want , when you will send them this document you will recive it signed back as they already told you. about the Circus picture I know they already told you they don't have anymore contact from a long whit that circus site , you can ceck directly whit the guy from the site and ask them if you want , please also if you want do them a favour, ask them form the site to remove it , because Dominik wasn't able. about all the rest I don't know what they told you or what they directly purpose you I didn't asked them , ask them for more infos , anyway , I hope you will not be enough full of yourself to think you are the only one who can bring out somethig new for the magic comunity. |
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Mike Maturen Inner circle Michigan's Beautiful Sunrise Side 2726 Posts |
Marcus. You didn't answer John: What is your real name? Are you the Angelo that sent the E-mail? You keep dodging questions, and shifting blame.
Why not take responsibility for the fact that the company you apparently work for behaves in an unethical manner? Can Dominik LEGALLY do what they do? Perhaps. Is it MORAL and ETHICAL? Absolutely not.
Mike Maturen
World of Wonder Entertainment The Magic and Mayhem of Mike Maturen 989-335-1661 mikematuren@gmail.com AUTHOR OF "A NEW DAWN--Weekly Wisdom From Everyday Life" member: International Magician's Society |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
What you mean if Dominik can legally do what they do ?
unfortunately for him( Mr.Taylor) we are too many friends and workers aroud Dominik , and yes my name is Marcus. |
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John Taylor Regular user Australia 136 Posts |
What you told me as (you) wrote the email to me was that Dominik Magic we're going to go ahead and build the copy version of Suspended Animation which they wanted to call SON OF SUSPENDED ANIMATION and then they wouldn't show me what they had until after it was built BUT wanted my approval before? go figure? This is NOT the way to do things, especially after you just told me that the effect is the same, the cloth handling is the same but the prop looks different.
I'm happy to see people coming up with their own illusions but when others change the color of a box etc then call something original it doesn't cut it I'm afraid. What makes you think I'm full of myself just because I don't agree with the way you rip off artist conduct business. You suck up to me in private emails trying to get me to give Dominik Magic the rights to build Suspended Animation and then try and bad month me behind a fake profile on this site! What type of a 2 faces person are you!! Bill Smith and myself have lost thousands of dollars from Dominik Magic! If you are the Donimik Magic spokes person why don't you let people know your name? How can you trust someone that hides behind a fake profile. |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
What you mean if Dominik can legally do what they do ?
of course he do legally what he do , but you and them do legally what they do ? I mean , do you know is not legal ask money whitout have any international patents or an international record? do you know anyway evry patents after few years became public domaine? I will remember you this is a business as many others and has the same international legal rules , even if you call this business "Magic" must respect the same rules , and only copy and past one fake R as recorded on a wesite is not too much. unfortunately for him( I mean Mr.Taylor), we are too many friends and workers aroud Dominik more than how much you can belive , and yes my name is Marcus , now I don't care what you think or not, is not important for me your opinion full of yourself . There is a reason why Dominik is big like this, ( I'm sorry if you are not happy about this but is the reality of the fact and you know it's like this ) , it's like this because , there are too many people happy for the way he work , there are too many people who bought props in past from the famous USA builders for an high price , and are not happy about their quality comparing the Dominik props whit the USA props , few are happy about the dominik prices , or about his quality , or for how he is quick for each delivery , and for many many reasons more even if you will not belive. Don't forget the Dominik Son from almost one year is trying to do Agreements whit all the Planets Magic Creators asking them to pay their royalty if possible , but people like Mr. Taylor simply don't want this money from him ,so , what do? You can be shure the percent % of the customers who buy from the Dominik son for all this reasons is more higher than who will buy only from USA and only from some specific builders about some specific props, you must understand , many don't know who are the USA builders and what they sell tehy don't know their existence , many don't care about them, many don't want spend more money also fore the high shipping price and custom, many don't find a reason why buy only from USA if they can have excellents builders also in Europe , or why spend more if you can pay really less in Europe ( and I will repeat again and again , Dominik son in past offered to ALL this creators to pay them a Royalty , so he was able to have a cheap price and give also a correct Royalty for all the creators) I'm sorry for you , but in this war like this you are cleary the only looser , I hope in the future you will understand and realize this and earn more money than how much you can earn today only from the small slice of this world as you have today. Remember , all the rest of the world ( East Europe ,China ,India , North Africa and more more places) absolutly don't care about your, don't care about who are you, and don't care about your personal rules or personal ethic , simply you don't exist for them , and from all this COUTRYES they will never know who are you . |
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