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fergie33
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I've bought plenty of DVDs and books but I'm not getting the results I want... I want to be able to make people forget their name and make them think that there somewhere there not( stuff you see on stage typically) is live training the best way to goo to be able to those type of things? Any feedback would be appreciated
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I've been doing hypnosis for a couple of years now and have not had any training so can't comment on how effective it would be. The biggest thing for me is to have the belief that you can do it and to project that to the person you are hypnotising. If your struggling with this I would recomend you trying some basic suggestion without trying to put someone in a trance, for instance just tell someone to stretch out their arm and tell them they will feel something when you move your arm slowly over it, take it really seriously and as long as they do it will be a positive experience, if they feel nothing you've lost nothing but if they feel something your confidence will grow. As you get more confident the rest should come!
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HI Fergie,

live training that has a large practical element will help.

In the meantime what results have you achieved? Can you comfortably demonstrate a variety of basic physical phenomena without an induction?

If not then that is a good place for a beginnner to start. Master the exercises often called waking hypnosis exercises. They will get you used to giving suggestions, take the pressure off trying to hypnotise and give you an opportunity to observe your subject so that you can pace and lead.

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Anthony makes a great point.

The big advantages of live training that you cannot get from studying books or videos include:

1) Being able to work with a variety of strangers on various things
2) Having a trained and experienced instructor watch what you're doing and give corrections and suggestions during practice sessions
3) Being checked out by a trained and experienced instructor to see that you have mastered the training.

If your live training does not feature a LOT of practice and the practical element, I wouldn't spend a lot of money on it for BEGINNING trainings.
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Fergie33,

I noticed on your thread about arm pull inductions that you made an initial post and never returned to the thread. You have done the same here. You have some knowledgeable guys posting on here, come back and give some feedback. They should be able to get you on the right track fairly quickly.
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Yes, I've noticed that too. I was going to post with regard to a couple of his posts but was waiting for his replies to what was offered so far and to learn a bit more about him.
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Well yes getting some in person training will always be the best as they can look at you "not getting the results" you wanted and tell you why!

Alternatively, as the posters above have said, if you tell us what you are doing and what isn't happening, them you will get many tips to aid your progress.

But you have to meet people half way and actually continue the conversation!

99% of us don't bite.
98% of us are friendly.
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100% of us were where you are at the start!
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On 2011-03-07 14:44, Shrubsole wrote:
100% of us were where you are at the start!


.... except for one. A very special one. Who turned into the effing Sherrif of effing Nottingham!!!
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On 2011-03-07 14:44, Shrubsole wrote:
100% of us were where you are at the start!


.... except for one. A very special one. Who turned into the effing Sherrif of effing Nottingham!!!


Indeed! Please note the other figures! Smile
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I started the other thread becasue this one died out and wasnt sure if I should bring up the arm induction here due to it being alittle off topic. thank you for the replies though! the reason I keep doing the arm induction is beacuse of its a instant result. if they are hypnotized they will go right down if there not then they wont. as far as doing other inductions I fell like if I tell them to sit down and give the mthe hypnotic speech they arent really hypnotized. I udnerstand the main idea behing hypnosis is confusion or shock I'm just looking for a path that can get me to become consistant and to be able to REALLY put them in hypnosis.
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What you are doing is much more hit or miss, all or nothing, and in your case miss. Your problem is your seeking instant. No convincers or other elements that could help your success.
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What are some other things that could help my success?
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"I udnerstand the main idea behing hypnosis is confusion or shock" Where did you learn that from?

Doesn't confusion and shock sound like the exact opposite of relaxation?

Why is speed of induction important to you? Is there a time limit?

You say that you have The Trilby Connection: It clearly shows how to do safe inductions that don't take long and do not leave the subject confused, in a state of shock and with a dislocated arm. So if you have watched that, where did you get this idea that a state of confusion and shock was needed?

Have you tried the 'set pieces' on the Trilby Connection?

You seem to have gotten off to a bad start, with some strange ideas about what hypnosis is and how to get there. Fortunately if you start at the start of the Trilby Connection with the 'set pieces' and see how you get on with them you should start to get some results. Ant (Who made the course) is on here and never fails to help people either here, via PM or directly via email. There are also many others here to set you on the right path.

In the meantime watch The Trilby Connecting and learn the set pieces... And try them!
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Thank you! I will try them, but how do ik if the person is compltly under hypnosis or is just playing along with me?
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The look of surprise on their face will let you know they aren´t playing along, and there are signs of trance - they should be listed in your Ormond McGill encyclopedia Smile
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On 2011-03-07 16:38, fergie33 wrote:
Thank you! I will try them, but how do ik if the person is compltly under hypnosis or is just playing along with me?


Most of the set pieces will work anyway, so if they don't it is most probably someone trying to resist and so you don't want them in your show! This is a major problem when just trying one on one all the time. Try approaching at least a small group and carry on with the best people who are following your suggestions.

Later when you move into the induction phase you can test your work as you go. If you make a suggestion that their hand is getting lighter and will drift up, and it does, then that is a positive result of your suggestion. Again if it doesn't with some, then reject them and move on with the people it does.
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On 2011-03-07 16:38, fergie33 wrote:
Thank you! I will try them, but how do ik if the person is compltly under hypnosis or is just playing along with me?

Many of us who make a living as hypnotists don't actually believe that there is such a state. We think everyone is just playing along. It's called social compliance.
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Yeah, like putting needles through their hands and telling them there's no pain and no bleeding. It's all just social compliance, ain't that right Tony?
Or in the therapy room where their phobia disappears, that'll be social compliance too.
Or the ten thousand ex smokers out there who won't put a cigarette near their mouths ever again, just to make ME feel good (AND I get to keep the money!!). It's all just them socially complying along. Wow, what a job!!!
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Bobser, I am not qualified to talk about therapy. But I firmly believe that stage hypnosis (the subject of this forum) is social compliance. And I can put a needle through my arm and smile while I am doing it.
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